Clearly the Antifa inspired Emilie Rakete, spokes-thingy for PAPA (People Against Prisons Aotearoa) and advocate for the disarming, defunding and abolishing of the NZ Police force should be feeling a little battered following the shooting of two police constables (one fatal) in West Auckland yesterday … but I suspect not. People like Rakete exist on a different planet from us normal folk.
Meanwhile the ‘womanhunt’ for the accomplice of the man accused of the shooting
continues apace. Interesting the report that Natalie Bracken has ‘gang’ connections. Hopefully Deputy Commissioner Wally Haumaha, defender of gangs, is using his contacts to have ‘them’ give her up … and of course they will because gangs are just like Rotary Clubs albeit misunderstood.
My condolences to the Family of Constable Hunt and best wishes for a speedy recovery of the second Constable and the civilian injured in the incident.
No Minister 
One only feels sorry that the perp was caught, rather than being aught with a slug or two. It would have been a good outcome.After all it will be just another opportunity for the judiciary to demonstrate their failings to protect the citizens of this country.I predict 15 years with 2 year remission for good behaviour.
Rosco – you will have to take 2 or 3 years off that sentence if he/she pleads guilty and expresses remorse.
What does Emilie Rakete have to do with yesterday's tragic events? You just cannot let a chance to tar your opponents with the crimes of others, can you/Once again, not a link in sight.Where is the evidence that she is \”Antifa inspired\”? Looks to me like ANTIFA has replaced Soros as the root of all supposed evil.Where is the evidence that she advocated \”for the disarming, defunding and abolishing of the NZ Police force\”?
@ Anne TiffaOk, so if the links are provided as per your demand, then it logically follows that Adolf’s essential premise is correct and you accept the validity of his argument? Yeah, nah, based on your past form that’s never gonna happen. Which makes your lazy demand that others should do your googling research of stuff that has been prominent in the NZ news cycle of his week additionally contemptible. If you want to discuss this like an adult you could have cited the Police Commissioner’s denial yesterday that there was connection between the tragic and cowardly murder of Constable Matthew Hunt and the recent decision to discontinue the NZ Police’s Armed Response Taskforce experiment. The moral of the story: Do not feed the troll.
Ok, so if the links are provided as per your demand, then it logically follows that Adolf’s essential premise is correctI long suspected that Rossco and Tom are one and the same, but never Adolf and Veteran. What do you know?Veteran doesn't provide links, because he has none.If you want to discuss this like an adult you could have cited the Police Commissioner’s denial yesterday that there was connection between the tragic and cowardly murder of Constable Matthew Hunt and the recent decision to discontinue the NZ Police’s Armed Response Taskforce experiment.I could, but first you need to make the argument that the recent decision to discontinue the NZ Police’s Armed Response Taskforce experiment was the cause of the tragedy. Surely you don't think that a tactical, armed response is required for every traffic stop.
Anne Tiffa: Emilie Rakete stated in a Newhub interview that her aim is to disarm, defund and abolish the bloodstained, racist police on I think 16 June. The Veteran appears to be quoting from that. A quick google search will provide you with all the background.
No, no. You haven’t answered my question first. All things decently and in order thanks very much. A foreign concept to chaotic anarchist temperament and practice, I realise, but hey, you are offering the pretence of engagement. Here, I’ll repeat it so you can continue to evade, confirm your demand for links was a red-herring and thus provide others with the unintended amusement of your sub-standard trolling: Ok, so if the links are provided as per your demand, then it logically follows that Adolf’s essential premise is correct and you accept the validity of his argument?
Rossco and pdm,Surely you both realise that the sentence for murder is life imprisonment. In terms of the non parole period, it will be not less than 17 years given that the murder is in the aggravated category.
KimboWrong author.
Anne Tiffa … the poster boy for Antifa chimes in on queue … story sourced from Stuff … you go find it. I can't be bothered pandering to your pathetic attempt to disassemble. As for the Antifa link … your mob are front and centre of the calls to defund the police in the US … Rakete the same. Walks like a duck, has feathers and quacks and chances are its a duck.
Diagnosing from afar, Adolf can declare the young lady appears to be a victim first of foetal alcohol syndrome and later, of socialist indoctrination at school.
Dunno about that Adolf … I see Bracken has now been apprehended and taken into custody. One suspects she will be receiving much help, succor and support from Emilie Rakete and her sorry band of apologists. Let Justice prevail while Rakete will continue to argue against imprisonment.
@ AdolfIndeed, and apologies to the Vet and you. Must have been the fact that Anne Tiffa is an equal-opportunity troller who directs his efforts at all pale male stale entitled fascist bloggers that confused me. ����
Wayne don't want to split hairs with you, I will accept your comment in the same vain I gave mine, sarc!After all you had the chance to change the world but you chose to remain silent, as did your colleagues.I guess challenging the judiciary was in the hard basket for you and John Key, not that he ever challenged anything that might be difficult!
KimboI guess i'll just have to brush off that there whakapapa otherwise I'll have have old Te Ika o Te Waruki turning in his grave. (Somewhere around 1550 a d)0
Why are most gunshot victims men? Must be a bias against men.
Okay.It would appear that the troll Anne Tiffa is unused to the English language and is unable to type 'Antifa'Or just maybe is trying to hide itself and its horrific belief system
Ok George. You've got me. I have been outed.I stand against fascism, racism, sexism, capitalist excesses, and the corrupt electoral system.I stand for people's freedom from oppression, freedom from want, freedom to elect governments not beholden to corporate robber barons.I campaign to overturn Citizens United, abolish the electoral college, for free education, for a full separation of church and state. I support a woman's right to abortion, free and readily available contraceptives, and sex education in schools. I oppose a pharmacist's ability to put his religion above a woman's medication.It is truly sad that you could find any of this horrific. But it is because of people like you that people like me must take up the cudgels to support those who have not had the same life privileges I have.
But these are all American-centric. This is a New Zealand blog, dealing predominantly with New Zealand’s issues. The odd US matter which might concern NZ, sure, but you, Anne, are largely immune to that, it seems to me. For example, the influence of corporate robber barons in this country is negligible; fascism is unknown; Electoral College is US business, the average Kiwi knows nothing about the US political system. Abortion and contraception are readily available here and not under any threat. Etc, etc. Let’s deal with those things of which we know and which affect us.
But these are all American-centric.Well that is what's so funny about Anne Tiffa and other Left commentators. They're obsessed with the USA, yet constantly bitch about me focusing largely on that nation while my co-bloggers focus on NZ, yet still sticking with their USA-focus even when I put up an article on New Zealand.It's the usual double standard of the Left. In this case they want the freedom to unload about the USA in as many negative ways as possible, especially when there's a Republican President and irrespective of the topic of a thread – while getting shitty about my pro-USA takes, complaining as to why I mostly write about that subject.Besides, as we see every day, and as I explained in my first ever article at NoMinister, covering the USA is important because almost every idea that appears in that nation, sooner or later turns up in New Zealand, the whoele BLM thing being merely the latest example.
Max, while it is true that these are all American-centric, may I remind you of the postings of Tomas? Unlike Tomas, whose experience of the USA is confined to a four week holiday in Chicago as a school boy and reading Breitbart, Drudge, Daily Caller, and the Tree House, I actually live here.I have a small pied a terre in Seattle, where I am currently residing, and a main family home near Quartzsite, AZ. So, while I take an interest in NZ, and am looking forward to my next holiday there, my political campaigning is obviously US centric.But here is a question for you – do you stand with me on the campaigns I support, or do you side with the Fascist George?
And very interesting they are, too, Tom. But Annie commenting on a post about Ms Rakete which includes, for example, the electoral college, strikes me as out of bounds. For all the the US affects NZ constantly.
Anne: I have very little knowledge about your campaigns – church and state have always been separated here and I do not know what Citizens United is (I’ve never come across it in NZ). So, go for it but most of these matters which concern you are not issues in NZ. And George is unknown to me. By all means write a column on fascism though. That’d be an interesting discussion. We all know what it looks like – NZ declared war in 1939 – but just defining it these days is a challenge.
Max Ritchie said…But Annie commenting on a post about Ms Rakete which includes, for example, the electoral college, strikes me as out of bounds.Well yeah, but it's up to The Vet to patrol that sort of thing and he did introduce the subject of Antifa in the original post, which then allowed Anne Tiffa to go off on these weird outside loops of his and indulge all his usual empty virtue signalling again.But he doesn't need an excuse: he's written the same comment many times here and will do so again, stamping his foot loudly that you need to demonstrate that you're not a Fascist, which can only be done by joining him in agreement with all his shite.And as you know, he's basically just trolling anyway; rich, White Boy that he is. Lenin would be proud of him.
The left stand for freedoms for themselves……others not so much…
Max, George is also unknown to me, however he posted It would appear that the troll Anne Tiffa is unused to the English language and is unable to type 'Antifa'Or just maybe is trying to hide itself and its horrific belief systemIt was that comment that led to my response. Those are things I believe in, and if they make me an anti-fascist, who am I to complain?
rich, White Boy that he is.Tomas outs himself out as the typical trump supporter – angry and jealous that other people succeed where he has failed. How dare I not only have money, but that I use my money to try to make the world a better place.This was the demographic Trump appealed to – those who were left behind and needed someone to blame. And that is also Trump, because even though he has wealth, all around him he sees true Alpha Males who have far, far, more than he does. While Trump and I share a mutual dislike of Jeff Bezos, Trump's is fueled by jealousy while mine is informed by the way Bezos acquired his wealth.
alloytoo said… The left stand for freedoms for themselves……others not so much…Yes, very selfish of \”The Left\” isn't it, to have:Fought to end slavery.Fought to overthrow oppressive governments.Fought against Franco in Spain while world governments looked the other way.Tried to halt the rise of Hitler, while he was welcomed by many great world leaders and capitalists.Fought for women's rights, including the right to vote and the right to be treated as an autonomous individual, not a chattel.Fought to protect the lives of those fleeing oppression.Fought for fair wages and improved working conditions, including holidays.Fought for the right to contraception and abortion.Fought for the liberation of people colonised by European traders.Hoiw terribly selfish of us.What do you stand for, Alloy?
@ Rex MundiAnd here was me thinking it was the quasi-fascist Christian church that abolished slavery…twice. Along with, in the American experience at least by the quasi-fascist Republican Party. And the quasi fascist Christian Lord Shaftesbury who was one of the first to make working conditions a priority. And I can’t recall any ideological group giving such vital succour to the fascists as the far left Stalinists and Comintern did between the signing of the Soviet-Nazi non-aggression Pact in August 1939 until June 1941. Also, official British colonisation of NZ took place at the behest of quasi fascist Christian missionaries wanting to protect Maori from European traders. And it is beyond serious dispute that slavery was abolished within by Maori, as a result of their mass conversion to…aforesaid quasi fascist Christianity. And overthrowing oppressive governments? Yeah, all ends of the ideological spectrum can claim that. But then it all depends on how you define “oppressive”, and decide who it is. Like the Belgians during 1914-18 I personally think Wilhelmine Germany qualified, but evidently not so for most “left” revisionists of the Great War.Which highlights the point your list is a bit like the circular reasoning with which Papists, Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses seek to wow others, and more importantly control convince themselves with their criteria that “proves” their particular earthly organisation is the one true manifestation of truth. And hey presto, having pre-chosen the key points. their lot just happens to tick all the boxes.
Kimbo, you did far better than I might have managed but you forgot about how Rex's mates fought so hard to protect the oppressed fleeing East Germany and Mao's cultural revolution..Try as I might, I couldn't find anywhere a reference to The Left helping out the poofters of Iran or the adulteresses of Afghanistan or the poor black bastards in equatorial Africa being sold into slavery by those gentle followers of Mohammed.
Thank you Rex for aiding the ignorant out themselves, yet again.And here was me thinking it was the quasi-fascist Christian church that abolished slavery…twice.There you go, wrong. Slavery was instituted and supported by bible believin' Xtians. That some Xtians were opposed to slavery does not exonerate Xtianity's involvement in perpetuating that evil. Any idea how many Xtians were Confederates? Pretty much all of them. Same for the KKK. Same for the state governments that refused to ratify the 13th ammendment abolishing slavery in the US. In point of fact, Mississippi didn't ratify the 13th until 2013! Can you believe it, 148 years.It was also Xtians in the various Southern State governments that ensured black Americans could never be free by instituting the \”Black Codes:, whereby the newly emancipated slaves were prevented from voting, owning property, or working their own enterprises, but rather, had to sign up as indentured servants every 12 months.If by Lord Shaftesbury you mean Antony Cooper (there have been many with that title) his good works were consistently opposed by (drum roll) Xtians. Was it his Xtianity of his humanity that drove him to see what the majority of Xtians could not?And I can’t recall any ideological group giving such vital succour to the fascists as the far left Stalinists and Comintern did between the signing of the Soviet-Nazi non-aggression Pact in August 1939 until June 1941.Simply because you \”cannot recall\” does not mean that an event did or did not occur. Franco's overthrow of the government of Spain was aided and abetted by Italy, Germany, Portugal, and The Vatican. Only the USSR stood with the Spanish people in their fight against Franco's evil.Countries with Leftist governments rarely invade other, peaceful countries. Since 1949, how many countries have China, Norway, Sweden, Finland, invaded, compared with, say New Zealand. Let alone the USA.
Fought to end slavery.In Britain that pre-dated the rise of Marxism, and the French revolutionaries as the first \”Left\” yielded to a dictator determined to build an empire, which led to a French state that treated its colonial subjects like slaves. Then there's the US, where the driver of abolition was the Christian movement, again preceding Marx. You'd struggle to find a single Union soldier or politician who fitted your definition of \”Left\” in the 1850's and 60's.Fought to overthrow oppressive governments.Unless they were Communist governments!Fought against Franco in Spain while world governments looked the other way.When they weren't fighting against each other, as the Anarchists and Stalinists did, which allowed Franco to win.Tried to halt the rise of Hitler, while he was welcomed by many great world leaders and capitalists.Two words: Molotov–RibbentropFought for women's rights, including the right to vote and the right to be treated as an autonomous individual, not a chattel.As did many non Leftists. And of course from Rousseau to modern-day communists the attitude was that woman were there to work for the Revolution, especially by re-producing, not leading a Politburo.Fought to protect the lives of those fleeing oppression.I was always impressed by the huge number of Western Leftists standing on the Western side of the Berlin Wall, just hanging out to help poor bastards escape the GDR. Truly heart-warming.Fought for the liberation of people colonised by European traders.Well, from the 1960's and Franz Fanon on yeah – but previous to that \”The Left\” just loved their colonies: see France above.So two out of nine – and even that's not allowing for non-Christian Righties who supported contraception and abortion, as they do today. The Left must do better.
@ Anne TiffaOh, no. I never said Christianity, in the form of Christians using Scripture as justification for reviving slavery in the European colonies were “exonerated”. Far from it. No “no true Scotsman” argument from me. So on that note, and in the interest of being logically consistent (admittedly note a strong radical wing trait) we can now all agree that on the “no true Scotsman” side of the ledger where you and Rex Mundi are cheerleading, we get to engrave the names of: LeninStalinMaoPol PotThree generations of North Korean Kims The CeaucescusThe East German regime, Stasi included…So how did we get onto this line of discussion? Oh, yes, I remember now: “the left stand for freedoms for themselves…others not so much…”QED by your logic, Annie, QED.
It should also be noted that two items….Fought for fair wages and improved working conditions, including holidays.Fought for the right to contraception and abortion.… were usually fought by good, solid union men and Social Democrats who hated the communists and other Far Lefters, usually for the very good reason that the latter saw the causes as just another lever to achieve their goal of The Revolution.That Old Left is still around but biy they look increasingly powerless against the Woke brigades.
@Anne TiffaCountries with leftist governments rarely invade other, peaceful countries. Since 1949 how many countries (has) China…invaded?Oh, please, pick me, pick me! I can play this game, and bear in mind all the following recipients of Chinese aggression, 3 of them left wing btw, insisted they were the peaceful victims of external aggression: North Korea in 1950 (hey, if Nixon bombing Eastern Cambodia overrun by foreign aggressors such as the Viet Congress and NVA was, according to left wing analysis, an act of war-mongering aggression, then the Chinese crossing over the Yalu River first in 1950 makes them invaders! ߘ㰟)Tibet in 1950 (I’ll play Devil’s advocate that it was an independent nation, and one of the few conquered and annexed post-1945 – no American equivalent there!) India in1962…and now again this past week! An act of invasion over the border of the world’s largest democracy. A genuine democracy I mean. The Soviet Union in 1969. You do remember how Nixon and Kissinger played the “triangulation” card because the other two super powers invaded one another? Must be hard to tell who was the fascist/reactionary and who was the genuine left wing follower of Marx, but I’m willing to be amused by inviting you to decide! ߘVietnam in 1978…and they did it because the Vietnamese were trying to overthrow your mate, Pol Pot. Also, care to tell me how many Muslim Chinese citizens are now being brutally oppressed? Real brutality and oppression, I mean. And that’s before we even get started on the aggression and Sabre rattling of the past few years, including against Taiwan, the Philippines and throughout the South China Sea, But great to see you confirm China is indeed, according to you, leftist. So Mao’s death lol of 50-100 million is again, on your side of the ledger. And again, as per the circular-reasoning check list I specified above by which ideologues seek to convince others and themselves they are on the side of angels, i note you, no doubt deliberately, specified “invaded”. Which of course means you get to automatically take off leftist-formented internal aggression, usually aided by foreign powers such as China in places like Angola, or South Vietnam. But yeah, yeah, those were acts of liberation, Comrade, and that nasty Truman doctrine, in response to brutal communist insurrection…sorry, an aborted but nonetheless just war of liberation from Imperial Capitalism in postwar Greece took place in a vacuum. Gotta get a better standard of troll.
Gotta get a better standard of troll. Hey – you're the one responding to him. ߘ°ߘ°ߘ°ߘ°ߘ°ߘ°ߘBut yeah. He worships Communist China one day and cheers the anarchist world of CHAZ the next. Troll to the max.
@ Anne TiffaAnd, of course, in that pre-determined circular-reasoning radical left check list we are being exposed to from you and RM, internal insurrection during the Cold War by leftists in countries like Greece, Cuba, South Vietnam and Nicaragua is automatically (to quote Rex Mundi) a “(fight) to overthrow oppressive governments”, whereas if it is against a left wing regime – such as in Chile or (again) Nicaragua, those are automatically reactionary counter-revolutionary fascists. Whereas most sane non-ideologues just applied a simple test to work out how much “freedom” far left politics brought: they stood at the Berlin Wall and observed which way the people jumped. And seriously, you think that fighting a proxy war against the Falangists in a comparative geo-political backwater like Spain evens up the “overthrowing oppressive governments/tried to halt the rise of Hitler” scales of the Soviet-Nazi non aggression Pact being the primary facilitator of Hitler conquering nearly all of Europe west of the Vistula by mid 1941?!Love it! ߘ