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and its not a pretty sight. The team of 5 million has a right to be angry.

Why? Because Covid-19 is not like the immaculate conception. It is transmitted by person to person contact. And given that there was, up until now, no recent community transmission then it had to come from from someone entering the country and going into managed isolation and what we do know is that many of those involved in assisting with that process were not being routinely tested … eg bus drivers.

So a massive fail and this after all the pain that that the country went through in the hope/expectation that the virus could be contained or, at best, eliminated. Is all that pain to be for nothing?

Ardern has been quick to dine out on her supposed success in dealing with the crisis. One suspects she will try and distance herself from this developing omnishambles. Not for her the HST dictum that ‘The buck stops here’.

Labour’s campaign slogan of ‘Lets keep moving’ is looking a bit frayed as Auckland grinds to a halt.

Written by The Veteran

August 12, 2020 at 9:16 am

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  1. Ardern has been quick to dine out on her supposed success in dealing with the crisis.

    It would hardly be surprising if she had, given the scale of that success. But can you point out an example of her doing it?

    So a massive fail and this after all the pain that that the country went through in the hope/expectation that the virus could be contained or, at best, eliminated.

    A massive fail? The point of eliminating the virus was so that we’d have the capacity to deal with it immediately when (not “if”) it turned up again. Describing expected, ordinary events as a “massive fail” is ridiculous. Any “failure” will depend on how successfully the contact tracing system deals with this incident, which we won’t know for a while yet. Save your squawking about the sky falling on us until then.

    Psycho Milt

    August 12, 2020 at 9:34 am

    • Milt … one can understand your response born out of realisation that this could be Jacinda’s Daniel Andrews moment.

      The Veteran

      August 12, 2020 at 9:40 am

    • So, no you can’t provide an example.

      And yes, the PM will be well aware that this is a high-risk moment that could see us on the same path as VIC. She’s been aware of the risk since before VIC provided us with an example.

      As with Daniel Andrews, her actions will count for far less than the cumulative effect of individuals’ actions. We need to hope like hell NZers do a better job of this that Victorians did.

      What we really don’t need are dickheads peddling conspiracy theories or misinformation deliberately designed to undermine public confidence in the health system, so it would be nice if someone locked Judith Collins and Gerry Brownlee in a cupboard for the duration.

      Psycho Milt

      August 12, 2020 at 12:47 pm

  2. @ Vet

    Thought your original post, based as it at this stage on speculation regarding the source and reason for the latest positive test is the epitome of “frayed”, but ya pays yer money and ya takes yer pick. Good piece of shroud waving, though…

    Am just amusing myself with the possibility- indeed likelihood given that the government has probably dropped the ball and support for Ardern plummets accordingly – that gravedodger will be insisting it is a dirty political trick that the election won’t be delayed,

    …whereas if it is, you’ll be crying “foul” that instead the government is playing for time. Heads you win, tails I lose. 😳😂

    Kimbo

    August 12, 2020 at 9:55 am

  3. Politics as usual. PM Ardern has been “concentrating on Covid”, not the election, (Pinocchio) so this is a failure, to a degree anyway. What next depends on what happens now. If there’s more community transmission then the election might just be delayed. OTOH if it’s a oncer then we’ll just move on. Buggered up my weekend in New Plymouth though! Auckland in lockdown not a good look but let’s wait for a few days before crowing/denying etc etc see my first 3 words.

    Max Ritchie

    August 12, 2020 at 10:07 am

  4. KImbo … tiz a tad too early to speculate on the delaying of the election. Indications right now is that parliament won’t be dissolved at midday today as planned. My understanding is that with parliament still sitting the election could be delayed by a vote of 75% of members. Just how that would play out is open to conjecture but I’m not sure that it would be business as usual with the government effectively ruling by decree.

    The Veteran

    August 12, 2020 at 10:24 am

    • Indeed, just as it is a tad early to speculate on the reason for the latest outbreak. And delay of dissolution of Parliament now confirmed, so contra gravedodger, Democracy is still safe. And with apparently Collins saying the election needs to be delayed, I think you will find that as one of the two major players is wanting a delay, that is what will occur.

      Kimbo

      August 12, 2020 at 11:36 am

  5. I see Seymour crying foul and demanding the dissolution be delayed. Also demanding a reestablishment of the Epidemic Response Committee.

    Oh well could return to the previous game of identifying what the pollies have in their houses.

    On the plus side only around 500 people tuned in for the complete session and possibly no more than 1000 for short term viewing.

    Noel

    August 12, 2020 at 11:16 am

  6. Noel … should this escalate I would rather see parliament continue to sit (albeit with perhaps reduced numbers in order to maintain social distancing) rather than going back to the ERC which was, at best, a poor mans option when it came to holding the government to account … but I think, at this stage we are getting a little bit ahead of ourselves.

    With campaigning suspended the election becomes skewed in favour of Ardern with her wall-to-wall media coverage and all other leaders essentially shut out. So the election may have to be deferred past 29 November being the last possible date provided for under the Electoral Amendment Act 2020. But there are difficulties with that. It would require a vote of 75% of MPs. If I were Collins I’d hold out for a government of national unity with an executive comprising the leaders of the five parties represented in parliament … JLR doesn’t count. Musing only.

    The Veteran

    August 12, 2020 at 12:45 pm

  7. Milt … your comment about locking Collins and Brownlie in a cupboard is reflective of your Stalinist approach to criticism and is frightening should you meant it to be taken seriously. So, in your brave new socialist world, any criticism of the government is off limits. Pathetic.

    I can only repeat what I said … this outbreak was not caused by the equivalent of the immaculate conception. It came because of a failure of border controls. Spin it how you (or Jacinda) want but that failure is going to wreak further damage to the economy.

    But no, in the gospel according to Milt we should all be giving thanks to Jacinda …. for what?

    The Veteran

    August 12, 2020 at 1:26 pm

    • Collins and Brownlee deliberately undermining public confidence in the health system during a pandemic is not the same thing as “criticism of the government.” Hoping for someone to shut them in a cupboard for the duration was a joke – they’re allowed to spend their time undermining NZ’s pandemic response, but I sure don’t have to like them for it.

      It came because of a failure of border controls.

      Well, duh. It’s almost like border control is run by humans and therefore prone to human error, or something. This was a matter of when, not if, because that’s what systems run by humans are like. In fact, it’s even what systems run by computers are like, because humans program the computers. Judith Collins may puff herself up and declare that she would simply not allow the virus in, but that’s a statement that implies a tenuous grip on reality rather than a competent administrator.

      Psycho Milt

      August 12, 2020 at 1:46 pm

    • Psycho: you’re going to have to explain your comments about Collins and Brownlie undermining the public’s faith in the health system. What is clear is that the isolation facilities are not being managed well. Even the Deputy Prime Minister says that. That is a failure of the Government. The buck stops with the responsible minister. It is his or her job to ensure that these things are done properly and the Prime Minister’s job to ensure that the Minister does his/her job or is sacked. That’s the system. And it’s the Opposition’s job to hold the government to account. That’s what they are paid, generously, to do. PM Ardern has a very good reputation, in part because the Opposition and the 4th Estate have not done their jobs well. Not helped by your blind belief that the Government is perfect. It is not. This is a fail which should not have happened. And it has meant that I do not get to see my granddaughter before she leaves the country, almost as serious as the lockdown itself.

      Max Ritchie

      August 12, 2020 at 2:43 pm

    • Psycho: you’re going to have to explain your comments about Collins and Brownlie undermining the public’s faith in the health system.

      Have you been out of Internet coverage or something? Collins and Brownlee have spent the last few days dog-whistling the conspiracy loons. Today Brownlee couldn’t even keep the smirk off his face while he was doing it, complete with disingenuous “it’s just an interesting set of facts,” which will hopefully stand alongside ‘Merv’s’ “I’m just confused” in public memory of the Collins leadership.

      This is a fail which should not have happened.

      Every incident of human error is a failure that should not have happened. Somehow though, humans don’t stop making errors. This was a matter of when, not if, regardless of which party was running things (although, to be fair, Judith Collins hubris-based “I would simply not allow the virus in” approach would be a contender for worst approach to the problem yet mentioned by a public figure).

      Psycho Milt

      August 12, 2020 at 5:50 pm

  8. Kevin Bacon in an early role (National Lampoon’s Animal House)

    Tom Hunter

    August 12, 2020 at 1:43 pm

  9. PM … ease up fella. The stress is clearly getting to you and your ‘joke’ has fallen flat. As for Collins and Brownlie supposedly undermining confidence in the public health system and I thought it was TV1 that did that with their two night expose of how the government/MOH lied when they said that there was never any problems over the availability of flu vaccine when all the time there were GPs all over the country crying foul.

    Might we just be seeing a repeat with the Covid-19 outbreak?

    The Veteran

    August 12, 2020 at 1:58 pm

  10. .. undermining confidence in the public health system…

    Hey, I’ve seen this one before as well….

    Who needs this miserable band of venal slaves, of what value can they be to the people, and whom can they “demoralise”?

    In 1937 Tukhachevsky, Yakir, Uborevich and other fiends were sentenced to be shot. After that, the elections to the Supreme Soviet of the U.S.S.R. were held. In these elections, 98.6 per cent of the total vote was cast for the Soviet power.

    At the beginning of 1938 Rosengoltz, Rykov, Bukharin and other fiends were sentenced to be shot. After that, the elections to the Supreme Soviets of the Union Republics were held. In these elections 99.4 per cent of the total vote was cast for the Soviet power.

    Where are the symptoms of “demoralization,” we would like to know, and why was this “demoralization” not reflected in the results of the elections?

    Would it not be truer to say that the weeding out of spies, assassins and wreckers from our Soviet organizations was bound to lead, and did lead, to the further strengthening of these organizations?

    [Report on the Work of the Central Committee to the Eighteenth Congress of the C.P.S.U.(B.)]

    Tom Hunter

    August 12, 2020 at 2:06 pm

  11. […] but I have been slightly distracted. We are sitting as a nation two thirds in social isolation and one third in lockdown. The precautionary principle is based on fear, fear that there could be […]


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