No Minister


They’re counting the votes in the UK as I write this in elections to decide the Scottish and Welsh Parliaments; local government in England and the Hartlepool by-election … and there are surprises aplenty already.

In Hartlepool where Labour was defending a 3,500 majority, having held the seat since 1964, it appears that the Tories are in for a big win with Labour’s Shadow Transport Secretary effectively conceding the seat … a seat that was widely viewed as a litmus test as to whether Sir Keir Starmer as the new Labour leader was cutting the mustard.

So if Boris is seen by some as a joke then perhaps the jokes on Sir Keir.

Written by The Veteran

May 7, 2021 at 3:48 pm

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  1. Go Boris!!


    May 7, 2021 at 5:33 pm

    • Indeed! The lefties will lose their shit when the UK version of Orange Man Bad takes a seat off the opposition in a by-election. That almost never happens!

      John JohnO

      May 7, 2021 at 5:46 pm

    • John O their version of Orangeman Bad, hardly. He’s not even 1 tenth of the qualities of OMB.
      Bojo is a lightweight
      But that said the UK economy is booming. Manufacturing best in 27 years
      Half the EU now must wish they had followed the UK out of the EU. Italy surely will go or go bust.

      Still State TV NZ is not too ashamed to make money off President Trump.

      10 years bagging him every chance they had but shortly to launch “THE APPRENTICE NZ”

      Oh the irony. And I bet they have to pay absolutely whopping licence fees to him / the channel that ran it.

      They are such a bunch of socialist fuckwits at TVNZ they probably dont even realise the symmetry of the whole deal.

      MAGA 2024 All the Way with Trump!


      May 7, 2021 at 6:58 pm

  2. Roosco … this has zip, zero nothing to do with Trump who as a conservative in name only. The Tories won by 6,870 … unprecedented.

    The Veteran

    May 7, 2021 at 7:04 pm

    • Yes that is correct a good win. I didnt introduce the topic of President Trump comparison, John O did.
      I was referencing JohnO comment on Orange Man Bad comparison who you may well know as President Trump.
      So no foul on me.
      I then added a bit of local colour about the apprentice , a TV program in the US with President Trump as compare which was hugely successful.
      I also added a bit of economic fact about Bojo’s perfomance that well may have swayed voters.
      I also added a bit of topical EU interest, given Bojo’s success with Brexit.

      So Vet I know President Trump is on your bad list so I suggest you chastise JohnO not me!

      A bit precious in my view there Vet.


      May 7, 2021 at 7:29 pm

    • If Trump is conservative in name only, then Karl Marx must be the patron saint of the ACT party.


      May 8, 2021 at 4:18 pm

  3. Nah ,,, Trump vs conservatives and its ‘oranges’ vs apples. Put it this way … Saville oranges vs Golden Delicious apples.

    The Veteran

    May 7, 2021 at 8:28 pm

    • Oh Jesus I think Vets finally cracked…too many fruit analogies….are there medical services in Pahia…ah no they’ll be Maori and wont treat whites first.

      I blame NZ Post..if only they had delivered his letter to Auckland in 2 days this existential crisis could have been averted.

      There has to be a cure somewhere….. thoughts people


      May 7, 2021 at 10:01 pm

  4. I made a tiny mention of orange and rossco has now posted about 3 pages of self justifying, obsessive drivel and started attacking the blog author. Time to give it a rest rossco.

    John JohnO

    May 8, 2021 at 7:19 am

    • John O, Thanks for the advice but yeah……nah!

      Vet has dealt with far worse scallywags than me..I think he will survive. 🙂


      May 8, 2021 at 9:24 am

  5. rossco … and perhaps more so then the Labour Party in England.

    The Veteran

    May 8, 2021 at 10:34 am

    • Labour’s socialist policies continually poll well, so Starmer decided to ditch them and become Tory Right.

      Look at the Labour votes over the past 6 elections and see wherein the problem lies. It wasn’t with Corbyn, that’s for sure.

      Sir Loin

      May 8, 2021 at 11:24 am

    • Yeah its hard to be Socialist, Loin Chop, when you own a 10m Pound Estate in the country.

      Corby was new in 2017 but in 2 short years the electorate had realised what a true socialist, and dickhead, looked like and they fled in droves.

      In the meantime Boris has done a reasonable job. He held his nerve on Brexit, he sent the EU packing, kicked the French out of the English fishing grounds, and seems to have got the economy moving, unlike the rest of Europe.

      Plus avoided sinking millions if not billions in to the broke Euro Tunnel train, as well as not having to give Italy 150 billion Euro to keep it out of the financial crapper.

      Boris has been lucky with timing.

      Perhaps a bit sketchy with his covid response though.

      There was a mate of yours Loin who was a virulent anti Brexiter, used to go on ad naseum about the Irish border… you still see him down the pub ?…. I used to call him Lord Hawhaw after that English traitor.


      May 8, 2021 at 11:52 am

    • They fled in “droves” did they? Yet under Corbyn, Labour held the seat.

      Sir Loin

      May 8, 2021 at 3:46 pm

  6. Since I don’t follow UK politics I didn’t know this:

    This extraordinary naivety was on full display in Hartlepool, where arch-Remainer Keir Starmer stood arch-Remainer Paul Williams in a seat in which 70 per cent of people voted for Brexit.

    What was Labour thinking? Were they thinking at all? It seems that they really believed that they could be this blatant and traditional, tribal Labour voters would continue on as before.

    Actually it’s nice to see that tribalism can be broken, but the fact that it takes something as big and dramatic as Brexit shows how hard it is to achieve.

    Tom Hunter

    May 8, 2021 at 5:48 pm

  7. Sir Loin – your grasp of the facts is as bad as your rhetoric. Labour only won in 2019 because of the Brexit party vote. If that had gone to the Conservatives, like it did this election, Labour would have lost then.

    Chris Morris

    May 8, 2021 at 6:55 pm

    • Chris, you are my favourite ultracrepidarian.

      The simple fact is the under Corbyn Labour held Hartlepool, under Starmer they were annihilated.

      Sir Loin

      May 8, 2021 at 9:03 pm

    • Loin, they held sure under Corby but simple maths tells me he lost nearly a 3o% of the vote between 2017 and 2019.
      Hardly a stellar performance.
      And it started a trend where another 50% was lost under the current leader.

      Oh and dont forget the other 4 councils that changed colour too.


      May 8, 2021 at 10:01 pm

    • I think it has more to do with the changing demographics of Hartlepool – the old monkeyhangers who were steelmakers, miners and ship builders have been replaced by yuppies who have or aspire to yachts in the marina


      May 9, 2021 at 6:45 am

  8. One of the best summations of the current politics situation in Britain is by the writers on Unherd. As one of them put it about the current issue ” The first home truth that needs to get through loud and clear is the most obvious: Labour is useless at picking leaders. A party leader has to satisfy two fundamental tests — one positive, the other negative. He (and with Labour it always is a he) has to be sufficiently attractive while also not excessively repulsive. No Labour leader has passed both tests since Tony Blair was elected 27 years ago; none of them have won a general election. While Sir Keir passes the negative test, it’s increasingly clear that he fails the positive test. With Jeremy Corbyn it was the other way round, hugely loveable to a core of voters and extremely off-putting to the rest. Ed Miliband satisfied neither test and nor, by the end, did Gordon Brown.”
    Or as I believe Mr Mandelson put it, “lose, lose, lose, lose, Blair, Blair, Blair, lose, lose, lose, lose”.

    Chris Morris

    May 9, 2021 at 6:50 am

  9. From yet another of their writers about the next general election there.
    Of the 44 most marginal Labour seats today, 39 are outside of London and the South. I call this the “Red Wall 2.0”. These are seats that have small majorities of 4,000 votes or less, are filled with pro-Brexit, cultural conservative workers who lean Left on the economy and Right on culture, and which have been trending Conservative. More than a dozen are scattered across the North West and North East while another 13 are in the once reliable People’s Republic of South Yorkshire. These are places that are filled with hard-working, patriotic Brits who want the Government to reform an economy rigged against them while preserving a culture they see as being under threat from increasingly illiberal “woke” activists.
    I don’t think Corbyn Mk2 will be much use there.

    Chris Morris

    May 9, 2021 at 7:57 am

    • Just seen an interview with a voter who switched from Labour to Tory, saying “I voted Tory because now we have 9 foodbanks, with Labour we had none”. Just another Turkey voting for an early Xmas.

      Little Dorrit

      May 9, 2021 at 11:41 am

  10. Don’t worry, the New Statesman thought Brexit was going to lead to Hartlepool staying with Labour.
    Though they did have a monkeyman as mayor because they thought Labour was so bad.

    Chris Morris

    May 9, 2021 at 1:02 pm

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