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On TV One 6.00 pm news tonight an item covering the Covid-19 vaccine rollout ….

National’s Chris Bishop laments the slow pace of the rollout which has us sitting in 54th place (behind such countries as Portugal, Hungary, Greece, Czech Republic, Turkey, Poland, Cambodia, Serbia, El Salvador, Malaysia, Sri Lanka, Morocco, Colombia, Jordan, Paraguay, Peru and Bolivia**) with just 18% of the population having at least one jab.

And Jacinda Ardern in response said we’re where exactly we ‘we’ planned to be.

So from someone who, back in November, said that NZL under her watch was going to be first in line for the vaccine rollout the admission that 8 months on she had ‘planned’ for the country to drop from 1st to 54th place.

Startling admission indeed. Some less charitable than I might be inclined to call it failure.

** Source – Reuters Covid-19 Vaccination Tracker.

Written by The Veteran

July 28, 2021 at 8:32 pm

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  1. Planning to fail is the only thing worse than failing to plan.


    July 28, 2021 at 10:47 pm

  2. It is only the lemmings who are lining up to get “the jab”.

    New Zealanders who are less easily manipulated are saying “No thank you. I don’t want to be a lab rat in your noble experiment in public health” .

    It’s like watching a train wreck in slow motion


    July 29, 2021 at 5:15 am

    • mrspdm and I are lemmings then Andre. We happily had the jabs on the recommendation of our GP whom we consulted.


      July 29, 2021 at 7:36 am

    • I trust my myGP rather than some random wierdo anti-vaxxers on the internet.

      John JohnO

      July 29, 2021 at 9:43 am

    • It’d be your body PDM. if you want to allow it to be subject to an experimental vaccine of dubious efficacy its your choice

      What is interesting is you invoke the recommendation of the authority figure of your GP as factoring into your decision with his views have been formed by other authority figures with higher social status than himself in forming his opinion I guess

      It is so much easier to go with the flow

      For better or worse it is in my genes to be sceptical of authority and to challenge the received wisdom

      Anyway I know that to get a new treatment approved for general clinical use it takes about five to ten years and there is a strict protocol that has to be followed – this is to try and avoid Iatrogenic disasters such as happened with Thalidomide or the SMON catastrophe that happened in Japan

      And yet these new RNA vaccines are not only being approved in less than a year but attempted to be deployed across the majority of the population in record time,

      What could possibly go wrong?

      Strangely enough the vaccines don’t appear to be particularly effective and may even result in worse outcomes for people who contract the disease after receiving them.

      The protocols involved in testing new medications are actually designed to test that they work, don’t cause other unexpected illness or have paradoxical results (such as exacerbating the condition they are supposed to treat) and these protocols require a careful methodical approach which takes time

      The narrative surrounding this so called “pandemic” has been suspect from the start – we are actually dealing with the latest manifestation of a disease that has been endemic in the human population since forever but with histrionic reporting and active suppression of dissenting voices no matter how well credentialed a significant proportion of the population has been terrified (and needlessly terrified in my view)

      There have been two cases within my extended family of COVID, both overseas – my daughter who tested positive about a year ago and was completely asymptomatic and my nephew who had received two shots of the AstraZeneca who was laid low for five days

      I look at the people who matter to me and I know the chances of them dying from this disease are approximately zero, as for myself there is perhaps some risk but that is a big so what. we all have to go sometime and my life has been lived – I’m happy to take my chances and actually from the published data the odds are on my side…


      July 29, 2021 at 9:54 am

    • Andre we definitely do no consider our GP to be an authority figure. Rather we see him as a qualified expert who has researched the medical options available to us and then we have taken his advice.

      We have 100$% confidence in him and consider him a friend as well as a confidant and expert in his field.

      Which `witch doctor’ do you take advice from?


      July 29, 2021 at 10:33 am

    • Exactly Andrei.
      People need to check out for a different perspective ,3 Auckland mums have created this group to get information out that we are not getting in our bought and paid for media.They are concerned for their kids.
      No mRNA gene therapy, experimental jab for me .


      July 29, 2021 at 5:28 pm

  3. I loved how most of South Auckland didn’t bother going to get a jab at Manukau recently, even after all the ad’s on TV and radio that were aimed directly at them.


    July 29, 2021 at 5:50 am

  4. Hearing Andrei on Covid-19 (its no better or worse than a bad cold) and noting his professional qualifications and one might be forgiven for thinking he was perhaps the only engineer to be a fully paid up member of the Flat Earth society.

    The Veteran

    July 29, 2021 at 9:08 am

    • I note that daily infection numbers in the UK are tanking and deaths are minimal. UK is one of the most vaccinated nations. Unlikely to be a coincidence.

      John JohnO

      July 29, 2021 at 9:49 am

    • …one might be forgiven for thinking he was perhaps the only engineer to be a fully paid up member of the Flat Earth society.

      That is gaslighting Veteran, a cheap rhetorical trick that is deployed to avoid engaging with the proposition as presented on an intellectual level.

      One of the things that occupied my professional life was turbulence in fluids, usually trying to find ways of trying to avoid it but there are also engineering applications where you want to induce it – I could wax lyrical for hours

      But this leads to a profound construct called Chaos Theory, a hard to get your head around but fascinating set of concepts expressed mathematically

      Why do I tell you this?

      Because human affairs are chaotic in the sense of Chaos Theory – we would like to say that if we take action A we will get outcome B. But it never happens in the real world. At best we might observe an approximation of outcome B, but usually we end up observing totally unpredicted things

      This truism is sometimes expressed as The Law of Unintended Consequences \

      Thus in the context of this pandemic an example

      if you put people into lockdown for months at a time and pay them to stay home, when you release them to go back to work on the assembly line they don’t go back to work but continue to collect the Government benefits as long as they can

      This is being observed as labour shortages in many places

      Another example

      Let us assume the vaccines are 100% effective (which they are nowhere near) and that we “jab” everybody in the world eventually. In the time it takes to accomplish this mass sticking of people the virus is evolving and evolutionary pressure on the virus will drive it to evolve into variants than can bypass the protection conferred by the vaccine

      Anybody who can think beyond soundbites knows this

      So the questions become ones of risk analysis and cost benefit when deciding how best to approach the challenges posed by COVID – hard detailed studies and much burning of the midnight oil by sober minded people without agendas

      The exact converse of the Fear Porn the media has been feeding us for the past 19 months

      And as we know to our detriment politicians respond to the later far more readily than to the former


      July 29, 2021 at 10:47 am

  5. Its is not the volume of lies we are being told re all those vaccinated as planned -I have been told that there has never been enough vaccines in the country and there are still not nearly enough arrived, despite the lies.
    More expected this week ?
    Truth or another Labour lie ?

    Papa Mike

    July 29, 2021 at 2:22 pm

    • Papa Mike I can tell you that our second jab was deferred by 3 weeks due to there being no vaccine in Hastings.

      Original date was 29 June and actual date received was 21 July.


      July 29, 2021 at 3:32 pm

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