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C’MON JACINDA … SHOW US YOUR

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P L A N … perhaps I wuz naive but before the emergence of the virulent Delta strain of Covid I was prepared to buy into the elimination strategy. No longer … Delta’s not going away anytime soon and I suspect it will be followed by other variants. Lockdown/shutting the borders is not and never was the long term solution unless you are prepared to accept the North Korea has the answer and, if you do, you asked the wrong question.

So, back to where we started. Take us into your confidence Jacinda and tell us your plan (assuming of course you’ve got one). For me its simple … set a percentage target for vaccinations and once you’ve reached that then declare New Zealand back open for business and then live with and manage the consequences. As part of that restrict entry into the country for any person who has not been fully vaccinated.

So what might that target be … 70%, 75%, 80% … whatever the figure we have a long way to go. Back in November Ardern fed us the lie that we were first in line for the vaccine rollout … empty rhetoric that defines the Ardern administration. Reflect on this if you will … as of yesterday 70% of people in the UK had received at least one dose with 61% fully vaccinated. Closer to home and in Australia its 42% and 23%. Samoa 40% and 16% while here in ‘Gods-own’ we are near the bottom of the heap at 34% and 20%.

The Ardern administration failed to secure the borders; prevaricated on the vaccine rollout and now we are paying the price,

So Jacinda … show us your plan.

Written by The Veteran

August 22, 2021 at 11:39 am

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  1. We have no plan. This government has been shown over and over to be incapable of coming up with and delivering on a plan. They simply lack the intellectual capability.

    Scomo’s Australia has a plan, along the lines of yours. However his problem is getting the fractured federal states to go along with it.

    John JohnO

    August 22, 2021 at 11:52 am

  2. Shutting down the borders only worked for countries that had an effective, organised government that knew what they were doing – Taiwan and Singapore being two good examples. Evidence over four years is that the Ardern led government could not organise a fight in a public bar and our leaking borders and quarantine facilities are evidence of that.

    I would not trust the Ardern led government to deliver a pizza.

    pdm1946

    August 22, 2021 at 12:05 pm

  3. You forgot to mention the $50 billion extra we borrowed to have on standby for the next Covid “emegency”.

    Apparently thats all gone except for $5b. Was that planned or just frittering away.?

    You’ll have to ask the Master of Finance, I believe he’s called the Minister of Finance. Like Jacinda he couldnt plan his way out of a bus stop.

    rossco

    August 22, 2021 at 12:47 pm

  4. I got to the end of the header and stopped dead in my tracks as there are things that cannot be “Unseen”, peripheral vision then clicked in and I started again to get context for P L A N, as Ardern and Plan just cannot make any sense in a sentence, cohabitation verboten if you will.
    It is a measure of the total absence of thinking and logic in the Government. Even the plodding Public service is demonstrating daily their dearth of reason, application and service.
    The path to socialism is well imbedded as revealed elsewhere that reveals Christmas is cancelled this year as the Elves have tumbled it, they get more money on welfare?

    Gravedodger

    August 22, 2021 at 12:49 pm

  5. Rossco … I think it was $6b (but what’s $1b between friends). Your point is well made and I suspect the lolly jar will soon be empty … and then? … print some more m o n e y. I await with ‘interest’ the September quarter inflation figures.

    The Veteran

    August 22, 2021 at 12:52 pm

    • Vet Yep you are on it. Not only inflation but whats the borrowing figure going to be? The utter waste of borrowed money is phenomenal, just look at the daily post from the NZ Taxpayers Union detailing where some of it has gone

      Here are some examples of how the money was actually spent:
      Flood protection in the Far North: $12,500,000
      Cameras on fishing boats: $26,600,000
      “Regional digital connectivity”: $50,000,000
      Horse racing: $52,500,000
      “Public Interest” Journalism: $55,000,000
      Affordable housing projects: $100,000,000
      “Transformative energy” projects: $155,000,000
      Various large-scale construction projects: $180,000,000
      Construction of one building at the University of Auckland: $200,000,000
      “Climate resilience” projects: $210,000,000
      Arts grants: $374,000,000 (e.g. $17 million for art therapy clinics)
      School lunches: $515,800,000 (yes, half a billion dollars)
      “Jobs for Nature”: $1,219,000,000 (e.g. the infamous wallaby-culling job creation scheme, which cost $200,000 per low-paying job created)

      The Arts Grants make shocking reading when you look at them in detail., heres a single example
      “towards a transcribed legacy of Maori and Pacifica opera singers, to inspire and inform $65,000

      Margret Thatcher may well be right in the case of NZ’ “Socialism is great until you run out of other peoples money”

      rossco

      August 22, 2021 at 1:27 pm

  6. Just saw the following cut-and-pasted from a NZ MSM source:

    At some point in the future some of the measures we are using like lockdowns, are not sustainable, Hipkins says. He says we’ve got to find a way how we can continue to work towards elimination without having to go into an alert level 4 lockdown every time there’s an outbreak.

    Interesting.It’s a sign that this government has seen the writing on the wall.

    Now that’s just from a minion but once he’s softened up all the frightened voters, Adern will start making the same noises.

    Then, hopefully, we’ll start seeing a subtle shift from “elimination” to “containment”, or some such word. At least that’s what I hope we’ll see.

    Tom Hunter

    August 22, 2021 at 12:58 pm

  7. Andrea Vance in Stuff today has nailed it. Government has failed miserably in vaccination. As a consequence we are the position we are. Just see how our Princess Evita tries to wriggles out of this.

    Richard

    August 22, 2021 at 1:10 pm

  8. And GD I would not go down your vaccine is the magic bullet path either.

    Evidence is mounting is that it doesnt stop the virus but just moderates it effects.

    Natural immunity for everyone under 65 should be the goal.

    With the vaccines reserved for the over 65 and those with medical issues. Even then it wont be the magic bullet you seem to be inferring.

    I mean to say thee is a whole armoury of other things people can do
    distancing
    Mouth wash, 4x a day
    Iodine
    Nasal sprays
    Ivamectine
    The Trump cure chloroqunine or whatever
    Washing your hands
    I am sure Texas, Florida, Sweden and Denmark can give us some pointers.

    I mean just look at the flu vaccine for Christ sake… no magic bullet there.

    rossco

    August 22, 2021 at 1:16 pm

  9. Gentle Persons. I recommend some reading from Switzerland.
    Some great research presented in English with reference links.

    If you use a browser with translation you can read the German stuff as well

    https://swprs.org/

    Ra Henare

    August 22, 2021 at 1:30 pm

  10. ….perhaps I wuz naive but before the emergence of the virulent Delta strain of Covid I was prepared to buy into the elimination strategy

    You were naïve and you still are.

    Corona viruses are endemic in the human and animal populations – the evolutionary strategy they have adopted is fast mutation, as the immune systems of their hosts get their measure they evolve new strategies to bypass their hosts defences – its an arms race that has been going on for millions of years.

    The “vaccine” is failing because it is tailored to trigger an immune response to a very specific COVID-19 “spike protein” ​ and the virus responds by quickly evolving a slight variation in that protein that bypasses triggering that immune response

    A naturally developed immune response is far less specific and thus makes an individual far less susceptible to the new variants as they arise

    Mass vaccination drives the evolution of the virus in directions that render the vaccine ineffective quickly – whereas targeted vaccination would reduce this evolutionary pressure thus rendering the vaccine more effective for longer

    A sane, rational strategy would be to vaccinate those deemed vulnerable to serious illness and let nature take its course in those, the vast majority of the population, to whom the disease does not present a significant threat

    Andrei

    August 22, 2021 at 2:00 pm

    • and we must of course defer to the good Dr Andrei … the entire medical profession must be in awe of him seeing what they can’t.

      The Veteran

      August 22, 2021 at 2:25 pm

    • You are pathologically incapable of debating an argument on its merits – as you can see from the comment below from Porky Roebuck the argument I put forward is in fact mainstream thinking among virologists and evolutionary biologists along with more doctors than you might care to imagine I’d posit.

      You’re a political creature I guess, sneers and jeers rather than intellectual argument being the currency of political discourse and you cannot seem to rise above that

      And this is of course why most people are thoroughly disenchanted with politicians and exactly why the National Party of New Zealand is failing to close the deal with most New Zealand voters

      Instead of expending energy telling us how badly Labour is managing this “crisis” if the National Party of New Zealand spent its time articulating a clear and concise strategy to get out of this mess, a strategy based on real science rather than emotion then they would leave Labour in the dust

      But it will never happen

      Andrei

      August 22, 2021 at 3:39 pm

    • Here’s a challenge for you Vet, have a listen to this ex VP of Pfizer: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8bX-wFVBP94

      There’s plenty out there trying to discredit him, but he is a scientist and is talking science. Hopefully it helps you understand a little about just how badly the government is handling Covid.

      Paranormal

      August 22, 2021 at 3:52 pm

    • Vet, I’ll go with Andrei on this one.

      Sounds just like the way insects developed resistance to organophosphate insecticides and DDT. I suggest you look up the history of the cotton industry in Western Australia’s Ord River irrigation scheme.

      adolffinkensen

      August 22, 2021 at 4:36 pm

  11. Noted virologists like Geert Van Den Bossche state that mass vaccination drives are a disaster because all it will do is drive the creation of variants, resulting in all of these “vaccines” becoming as useless as the bottom half of a mermaid fairly soon. Luckily these type of viruses when they mutate, although they become more infectious, they also tend to become less pathogenic.

    I also hear that the UFDA is going approve the Pfizer “vaccine” for general use on Tuesday. Moderna AZ & J&J will have to wait. Political pressure much ? The FDA said in back in January that the approval process would take a minimum of two and a half years at a minimum.

    It’s the “vaccine” that gives me the shits, not the virus.

    Porky Roebuck

    August 22, 2021 at 2:26 pm

  12. That bobble headed schoolgirl doesn’t have a long term strategy. Her whole Potemkin reputation is based on keeping the KungFlu out – that’s the only plan.

    Have you noticed, she just loves that daily appearance on the podium, bobbing her head around and making those odd facial expressions, flapping and gesturing like Magnus Pyke, you’d be forgiven for thinking she’s doing the sign language too.

    Porky Roebuck

    August 22, 2021 at 2:33 pm

  13. Gueez Andrei … give me a break. You have your opinion and I have mine. The fact that we happen to disagree does not somehow mean I am incapable of debating the issue. Indeed, the whole point of the post was to engender debate on a possible way forward acknowledging that Labour’s elimination strategy was no longer tenable. Can I suggest you you take a minute to read and digest a post before opening trap.

    You appear to have a completely closed mind to anyone who does not share your POV … sad.

    The Veteran

    August 23, 2021 at 1:51 pm

  14. We had a phone call today from a relative in NZ North Island.
    Because of the lock down in Auckland, everyone who could scattered to their batches and other homes. Now, according to her, the virus has gone countrywide. Rather like it did in the UK when the stupid were been released from lock down.

    Medical sources are talking about 1 in 70 are carriers / infected.
    That’s up from 1 in 80 a week ago.
    Politics aside, I’ve no idea if you have enough hospitals in NZ, but you’re about to wish you had more.

    247paulgray

    August 30, 2021 at 1:35 am

    • Usual bullshit 246paulie

      1 in 70 maybe true in somewhere like UK but so what. I would imagination that stat is very similar to the annual flu “Pandemic”

      So we have had infections, so at the same death rate as Fiji or some of the nordic countries, 1 Percent of those infected , we should now have 5 dead. If it is the same as the universal covid rate, 2.5% then it should be 12.5 deaths,

      As for the usual bullshit you have promulgated on the hospitals , hospital beds and ICU beds, your post should be deleted. It is simply not true.

      Fear mongering at best.

      That has all proved to be a device of the left to perpetrate fear.

      rossco

      August 30, 2021 at 12:40 pm

      • Enjoy the disillusionment.
        The toll of Covid deniers is growing.
        I look at it as natures blessing.

        247paulgray

        August 30, 2021 at 4:53 pm

  15. Meanwhile, the countries with the most draconian measures in place continue to deliver the worst results.

    Even the dumbest of dumbarsed Labor/Labour politicians is beginning to admit they don’t work. Or maybe they are waking up to the proximity of a general election and lockdowns ain’t good optics.

    What century was it when the lying pious pricks said ‘Don’t worry . ‘It’Il only take a fortnight to flatten the curve.’?

    adolffinkensen

    August 30, 2021 at 7:03 pm


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