No Minister

JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT IT COULDN’T GET ANY WORSE … IT DID

with the revelation that when the United States abandoned Bagram Air Base on 5 July they released from the jail there an unknown number of ISIS-K detainees now estimated by the Pentagon to be in the order of a couple of thousand.

Words fail me. Is it just possible that the ISIS-K suicide bomber at Kabul airport was one of those released?

Biden’s accelerated withdrawal from Afghanistan, working to a self imposed deadline, was/is a clusterf**k of epic proportions that has tarnished (perhaps forever) America’s standing in the eyes of the world.

Written by The Veteran

August 28, 2021 at 10:24 am

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  1. Egregious doesn’t cut it there Vet, nor Obscene, Blatant, Treacherous, Ghastly, Beyond The Pale and the results for those in Ireland under Cromwell, maybe chilling as that is how it hits me.
    Surely a step up from things they went after Trump for.

    I know instinctively I have no wish to ever come up against the utter bastards who are running the executive in the US, they must me a bunch who might make Alphonse Capone a choirboy even while he walked behind his dinner guests with a baseball bat.

    Wow just wow

    Gravedodger

    August 28, 2021 at 10:40 am

  2. Surely in consultation with the Afghanistan government? But what else do they do with them? Having made the decision to go, extending Gitmo or digging a pit we’re hardly options. As ye sow…………………..

    Cassandra

    August 28, 2021 at 10:45 am

    • I think the point was, evacuate civilians and sensitive military equipment, and then, on the last flight out, drop the cell keys on the ground so the Taliban could release their ISIS friends not the other way round.

      Jimmie Walker

      August 28, 2021 at 11:35 am

  3. Why are you surprised?

    I guess the 💊 is starting to kick in

    Andrei

    August 28, 2021 at 10:56 am

    • And worse still, the cretins of the Biden administration gave the Taliban the names and addresses of the Americans and their Afghani helpers trying to reach the airport. Saner heads have called it a kill list.

      Not even the Mayor of Paris gave the Nazis the names and addresses of his city’s Jews.

      adolffinkensen

      August 28, 2021 at 11:34 am

  4. The Veteran,

    Can you provide a link or a reference? I searched on Goggle and could not see a reference to the US releasing ISIS K prisoners from Bagram.

    Do you mean the Afghan government releasing prisoners?

    Wayne

    August 28, 2021 at 11:39 am

    • Wayne … from the Pentagon Press Conference which featured on Fox News this morning. Said by the Pentagon spokesman when questioned.

      The Veteran

      August 28, 2021 at 12:03 pm

  5. Andrei

    August 28, 2021 at 11:52 am

  6. Got it now. I see it actually refers to the Taliban capturing the towns, then releasing the prisoners.

    As Cassandra notes, the only practical solution would have been to remove the worst of them to Gitmo. There was zero prospect of thousands being transferred to Gitmo, whether it was a Trump or Biden administration. However, the worst could have been, probably less than 100.

    Given that there was some clearly co-operation between the Taliban and the US in recent days (visit of CIA director to the Taliban) wasn’t it inevitable the Taliban had to have some idea who they should be letting through their checkpoints, at least the US and other western citizens.

    As it is, we (NZ) are now going to have to negotiable with the Taliban govt to get people out. That does mean on agreeing who these people actually are. The same issues applies to the women judges (assuming some are still left in Afghanistan).

    I do think some of the posts here have an air of unreality. At some level we have to deal with the Taliban government. We want things from them (our people and those who supported us). We have some small leverage. The Taliban will need UN aid and the Afgan govt financial assets. They are going to have to act reasonably to get these.

    It does raise the general question; is the new Taliban govt going to be as bad as the 1995 to 20001 Taliban government?

    I guess time will tell. But it seems to me the best approach is to try and work with the Taliban (have some level of co-operation) unless they prove themselves just as bad as their predecessors.

    Wayne

    August 28, 2021 at 12:00 pm

    • Afghanisten is the seventh? poorest nation in the world, The Taliban raises revenue off transportation taxes in the area’s they already control as well as the drug trade, Given their idealogy is from the 7th century, it’s debatable that they need the UN or any funds from them. Also bear in mind that China has been keen on a belt road initiative that has to go thru Afghanisten at some point. Also Pakistan is on semi friendly terms with the Taliban.

      uncoffined

      August 28, 2021 at 2:26 pm

  7. Wayne … Ok … clearly I was wrong. Seems the detainees were released at the point the Taliban overran Bagram Airbase … either by the Taliban or what remained of the Afghani military when the realised the game was up – I know not. As for negotiating with the Taliban and I suspect that will be difficult especially as it seems that right now we have present all the ingredients for a civil war … Taliban vs ISIS-K … with the only real difference between the two sides being the degree of hate held by them for foreigners and Afghan nationals who worked for them.

    As I understand it NZL has not yet recognised the Taliban as the government of Afghanistan and with no diplomatic presence in the country negotiations with the Taliban, if they are to take place, will have to be conducted through third parties against the backdrop of civil unrest.

    The Veteran

    August 28, 2021 at 1:09 pm

  8. Trump invited Talibs to Camp David.

    Trump negotiated the withdrawal with Talibs, at Camp David.

    As part of the beautiful deal Trump negotiated with the Talibs, the Afghan government was forced to free 5,000 Talibs from prison.

    Had Trump retained the WH, the withdrawal would have ended far sooner and with even greater chaos.

    An interesting sidebar – apparently 5 of the US troops killed by the suicide bomber hadn’t been born when the US invaded Afghanistan.

    Little Dorrit

    August 28, 2021 at 2:11 pm

    • Even if what you are claiming is true, little D, the fact remains Donald Trump is not the President and that Joe Biden who is the President (nominally in any case) is the one who has the power to rectify any bad decisions DT may have made

      Of course what you are saying isn’t true, DT had a road map to withdrawal which Joe Biden tore up and went his own way…

      Just how well DT’s plan would have worked out will forever be unknown but it is fairly certain it wouldn’t have worked out worse than what we are seeing…

      Andrei

      August 28, 2021 at 2:46 pm

  9. The whole thing is a monumental cockup. The US clearly thought it had a few months to get its people out but the equipment was always going to be abandoned. Releasing all the prisoners was part of the deal. It has now all turned to rubbish and America is going to pay a reputations price. Its President plainly doesn’t care – “that was 4 or 5 days ago, man” – but if he ever thought he would run for a 2nd term I imagine FLOTUS has disabused him. Dems can kiss the Senate goodbye and possible the House too. Let’s hope the next President (DeSantis?) does much, much better than the last few.

    Cassandra

    August 28, 2021 at 2:37 pm

  10. A further thought though: this was Trump’s deal, Biden simply the executor. Biden clearly agreed with it. He opposed nation building when he became the VP. NB he was very much for it as a Senator. Consistently inconsistent. When “four days ago, man” is long term then I guess 8 years for it and 12 years against it is understandable.

    Cassandra

    August 28, 2021 at 3:04 pm

    • You seem either to be deliberately obtuse or just fail to understand, there was widespread and bipartisan support for leaving Afghanistan. The horrendous disaster is entirely due to the tactics employed for the execution of the American exit. No matter how hard your leftist friends try to deflect from tactical blunder after blunder, you and they can’t avoid the hard truth. This military catastrophe is entirely the work of whoever is pulling Biden’s strings (Obama) and his hapless and hopeless Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman.

      The only potential silver lining is that it might bring about the end of the evil and malevolent Democratic Party.

      adolffinkensen

      August 28, 2021 at 4:20 pm

    • It’s not an open secret that Biden tore up the Trump plan, it clearly is to you though.

      Herb1

      August 28, 2021 at 6:38 pm

  11. Cassandra, or Cassie, always loved that as a girls name ( you arent over 55 and looking for a relationship by any chance?)

    Quick guide to the difference between your two most beloved leaders, Biden and Jacinda

    One of them shits into a blanket at night
    One of them wears a diaper as its impossible to find their penis let alone get it out in time
    One has lost the protection of the the adoring media
    One is at the beginning of the process of losing the adoring media
    One of them has seen their popular support crash over night
    One of them is at the start of that process
    One of them has shafted the population of Afghanistan
    One of them has shafted the local people who aided a deployment
    One is a consummate liar.
    10 One is a sociopath.
    11 One has maxed out the credit card.

    Which is witch ?

    rossco

    August 28, 2021 at 7:23 pm


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