No Minister

Jobs for the boys

That satirical movie poster was from 2014 when Obama traded five Taliban terrorists locked up in Guantanamo for a US soldier who had deserted from his unit, then did a hideous press conference where it became obvious where Private Bergdahl’s “patriotism” had come from. His father was invited by Obama and in addition to looking and sounding like he had decided to join the Taliban himself, he used the opportunity to shit all over the US.

It’s interesting to walk down this particular memory lane and realise that despite being much smarter and not senile, Obama and his team had more than a few cluster fucks of their own that seem little different from those that Biden is having. Obama’s clowns never shifted off their backsides to look into the details of Bergdahl, his capture, his dingbat father or much else before they decided to go for the dog and pony show at the Whitehouse seven years ago.

The full details of the men released can be found here. The following is my quick synopsis of three of them:

Mullah Mohammad Fazl (Taliban army chief of staff): Fazl is wanted by the UN for possible war crimes including the murder of thousands of Shiites in 1998.

Mullah Norullah Noori (senior Taliban military commander): Like Fazl, Noori is wanted by the United Nations for possible war crimes including the murder of thousands of Shiite Muslims.

Abdul Haq Wasiq (Taliban deputy minister of intelligence): Wasiq arranged for al Qaeda members to provide crucial intelligence training prior to 9/11. The training was headed by Hamza Zubayr, an al Qaeda instructor who was killed during the same September 2002 raid that netted Ramzi Binalshibh, the point man for the 9/11 operation.

Under the traditional rules of war all five of them should have been shot at dawn on the Afghan battlefields, but I guess this way some future US President might at least drone their ass at some point in time.

Alternatively they could have been processed through a military tribunal but for Obama’s delusional desire to put them through US civil courts. Yet another failure of competence as his own party rose up against him when he tried to bring Khalid Shaikh Mohammed to New York.

Well guess what sports fans? They’re back in power. As in real power. As in being part of the Cabinet of the new Taliban government of Afghanistan.

  • Mullah Norullah Nori (Acting Minister of Borders and Tribal Affairs)
  • Mohammed Fazl (Defense Deputy Minister)
  • Khairullah Khairkhwa (Acting Minister of Information and Culture)
  • Abdul Haq Wasiq (Acting Director of Intelligence)

So the last guy got his old job back. Pretty typical of a politician who knows where all the bodies are buried.

Written by Tom Hunter

September 9, 2021 at 1:00 pm

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  1. You seem to have had a complete mental blank about the fact that it was President Trump who agreed with the Taliban that the US would leave by May 2021.

    So, the current situation is not due the failure of Obama.

    In fact if you want to lay out the basis for the fall of Afghanistan, you need look no further than President Bush. His decision to invade Iraq in 20003 is without doubt the most catastrophic decision of any US President in the last 50 years. Not just the invasion, but the way Bremer, at the behest of Washington, completely disestablished the Iraqi government creating a complete power vacuum.

    The invasion of Iraq led to the virtual abandonment of the Afghan mission, wrecked beyond repair. And of course it also led directly to the creation of ISIS.

    But of course none of that suits your narrative, that if it is Democrat, it is uniquely bad.

    Wayne

    September 9, 2021 at 1:32 pm

    • Tom Hunter

      September 9, 2021 at 1:48 pm

    • You know, I’m so old I can remember when ALL the Democrats voted to invade Iraq and when conventional wisdom the the ‘consensus’ so loved by lefties had it that it was the precipitate withdrawal of US forces which ‘led directly to the creation of ISIS.’

      adolffinkensen

      September 9, 2021 at 3:58 pm

    • So, the current situation is not due the failure of Obama.

      Never said it was, but what the post makes clear is that at least part of the current situation must be due to Obama because he’s the one who let them out rather than putting them on trial or (my preference) having them shot at dawn for violations of the Geneva conventions, thereby setting the precedent for that part of Trump’s deal years later.

      His decision to invade Iraq in 2003 is without doubt the most catastrophic decision of any US President in the last 50 years.

      I would agree, particularly about Bremer’s idiocy. But this decision by Biden may come to rival it.

      In any case I have this distinct memory of some debate in our Parliament in late 2003 where you and John Key ripped into the Clarke government for their distinct lack of enthusiasm for the War: the key phrase “missing in action” made quite a splash at the time and I think that was you not Key.

      Fair enough if you’ve changed your mind on the subject (I have), but I think that a person who said things like that of the Iraq War critics almost twenty years ago might hesitate before unleashing such a thunderous condemnation: a more balanced attack perhaps?

      Tom Hunter

      September 9, 2021 at 5:32 pm

    • Oh, and I can’t ignore this piece of “balanced” commentary, fresh from the 2008 talking points of the Democrats.

      The invasion of Iraq led to the virtual abandonment of the Afghan mission, wrecked beyond repair.

      That was a favourite talking point of Obama’s because he still had to play up Afghanistan as the Good War, which is why he made such a big deal about his “surge” back into the country to set things right. He certainly did not think it was wrecked beyond repair (at least not publically) and obviously niether did you at the time, which is why you and your government were so keen to continue NZ’s part in the mission.

      But given Obama and the rest were all using the same strategy of nation-building as Bush it was just as doomed, even with more troops.

      And of course it also led directly to the creation of ISIS.

      The word “directly” usually involves some consideration of time and it usually has to be close in time between cause and effect. The Iraq invasion was in 2003, while ISIS did not appear until after 2011. What happened in 2011? Why the much trumpeted withdrawal of US troops from Iraq – which opened up a vacuum that ISIS all too readily filled. I’d say that’s a much more “direct” cause-and-effect relationship.

      But of course, you don’t mention that aspect, despite supposedly prizing “balanced” commentary.

      Of course the idiot that Obama put in charge of that withdrawal was none other than Joe Biden. You’d have thought he’d have learned something from it. Obama certainly did, given his comment years later: “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to fuck things up”

      Tom Hunter

      September 9, 2021 at 5:41 pm

  2. Isn’t this post about President Obama exchanging 5 senior Taliban for one deserter? The rights and wrongs of Iraq are surely matters for a separate post.

    Cassandra

    September 9, 2021 at 2:41 pm

  3. Casandra,

    Although I didn’t elaborate the point in my initial comment, one of the features of the Trump “peace” deal was that all Taliban prisoners were to be released. The only ones to remain in Guantanamo were those associated with 9/11.

    But as usual Tom only focuses on the Democrats. He doesn’t even remotely try to have a balanced analysis. For instance in his comment above, having a series of comments by Democrats (only) about Iraq, as if they are the equivalent of invading the country.

    Wayne

    September 9, 2021 at 3:07 pm

    • He doesn’t even remotely try to have a balanced analysis

      First up, I will once again point out that this is a regular complaint you direct towards me but not anybody else, like Chris Trotter for example, or the MSM, even when they have been demonstrated to show extreme bias against the Right. You simply accept that they have a POV and go with it, often with silence.

      Second, I will once again point out that the overwhelming narrative of the MSM was how wonderful Obama was and, until this disaster, how they’ve treated Biden the same way, in a complete 180 from how they treated Trump (or Bush for that matter after 2003). As I said the other day, the reason blogs like this came about in the first place was that people got sick of being fed MSM “fair and balanced” bullshit that was anything but.

      Third, I’m hardly a Bushian and as far back as 2004 had come to loath the influence they had on the GOP. I pointed out just the other day how I thought the way Bush handled Afghanistan was a mistake from 2002 onward, even without including the turn to Iraq. When the time is appropriate (and the date is soon coming), you might be pleased to know that I’ll be doing a post that rips Bush on the subject.

      But on that last…

      having a series of comments by Democrats (only) about Iraq, as if they are the equivalent of invading the country.

      Those Democrats voted for that invasion and their comments from that time demonstrate that they believed in it, at least to start with. That’s there for “balance”, since their water carriers prefer to memory hole such things.

      Tom Hunter

      September 9, 2021 at 5:21 pm

  4. OK. So this is actually a private argument between Wayne and Tom? Sorry to butt in. Why don’t you just email or phone each other? Although for the life of me I can’t see why one bad presidential decision (or 10) excuses another president’s bad decisions.

    Cassandra

    September 9, 2021 at 3:41 pm

    • @Cassandra
      I suggest you ignore the Iraq distraction and focus on what you would like to say about the topic of the post. I’m busy right now and will have to wait to fully attend to Wayne’s posts, so your attention on the topic would be most welcome.

      Tom Hunter

      September 9, 2021 at 3:47 pm

    • @ Cassandra, it’s quite normal for Wayne & Tom to have differing points of view. This isn’t a bad thing in itself, and we are lucky to be observers of the debate between them.

      uncoffined

      September 9, 2021 at 6:30 pm

  5. Wayne rewriting history has become fraught to the point of being useless.
    Bush going after those who would give cover sustenance and weapons to Bin Laden and Co delivered almost two decades of their being held at bay. That Biden’s moves to deliver a shambolic withdrawal to coincide with the anniversary of the end of that two decades, delivered a weaponry cache unparalleled in history. The Decision to walk out of Bagram airbase in the dead of night without telling anyof the coalition leaving it fully operational, hell you were a minister of Defense you tell us how that was anything other than a strategic blunder it is hard to find an equivalent of. Obama and Rice handing release for the four who are now central figures in the new kinder Taliban Government in exchange for one traitor who walked across to the Taliban in the dead of another night was somehow a victory of some kind?
    The question of whether Bush deciding to deal to Hussein and go after Bin Laden, finally accomplished for Obama some decade later, will be debated for ever but it has now become the greatest setback for Democratic western nations posible will also be debated but Biden’s abdication in the face of the enemy was right up there with Sgt Bergdahl’s action that should have seen The JCos and Biden all court marshalled.
    There is no bloody defense unless insanity is possible That Milley and Co are still in charge after their appalling actions as officers under Trump is abject nonsense.

    Gravedodger

    September 9, 2021 at 5:12 pm


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