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THIS COULD BE A REAL PROBLEM FOR THE GOVERNMENT

Following on from yesterday’s post where I took issue with Hendly’s modelling (seemingly endorsed by government) which postulated up to 7,000 deaths per annum from Covid with 80% of the 5 YO+ population fully vaccinated reducing to 50 deaths were the vaccination rate to reach 90% and it’s clear that the slow vaccination rate among Maori is developing as a real issue. Associate Health Minister, Peni Henare, has endorsed that concern.

I’m aware that Wayne Mapp with his family links into Maoridom shares that concern and it would perhaps be helpful if he were able to expand further on that. Suffice to say that, as I understand it, there is a significant cohort among younger Maori, especially with those who you might class as white collar intellectuals, who are dismissive of vaccination as just another manifestation of colonial oppression however defined.

So, consider this … what would happen if the rest of the population reached the 90% goal while Maori only managed say 70%. Would that cause the government to delay any move to the ‘new normal’ whatever the new normal is to be? The noises coming out of the POT (like that descriptive) suggests that would indeed be the case.

How then would the rest of New Zealand react? … one suspects this would not play out well on a number of fronts in which case it could end up being a real problem for Ardern’s mob.

Written by The Veteran

September 24, 2021 at 11:52 am

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  1. “what would happen if the rest of the population reached the 90% goal while Maori only managed say 70%. Would that cause the government to delay any move to the ‘new normal’ whatever the new normal is to be?”

    It seems to me that the government is signaling this very clearly. The apparent Maori reluctance to vaccinate, along with the natural anti-vax fringe, along with the can’t-be-stuffed drop-kick fraction, will make 90% pretty much impossible anyway 90% Maori vaccination itself is even less likely. Add to that Hendy’s made-to-order non-reviewed modeling and you have NZ government entrenching us in our captive, fearful, hermit kingdom backwater status with no pathway out.

    John JohnO

    September 24, 2021 at 12:18 pm

  2. Seems to me Māori youth are proving smarter than the average pakeha.

    Just sayin

    Paranormal

    September 24, 2021 at 12:49 pm

    • Top Comment Paranormal !!

      This blog needs some ability to put a star beside a top comment like that.!

      Probably include those escapists from MIQ, PI weren’t they? Had a dose of the Kung Flu with symptoms so mild they wondered what the fuss was all about and took off to have a normal life.!

      rossco

      September 24, 2021 at 6:11 pm

  3. This is an important topic, because it is likely to have real world effects. The Veteran is right. I do get a sense that among younger Maori (especially the well educated) that their world view is significantly different to the general community, much more so than is the case with their parents and grandparents.

    There are a wide variety of factors at play. They include much discourse about colonialism, about capitalism, about the purity of Maori culture compared the that of the west. It manifests itself in much greater interest in non traditional medicine and alternative natural remedies and a rejection of “big pharma” being the archetype of capitalism. Creative jobs in arts, media, health, etc predominate, with much less interest in traditional management and professional jobs, especially involving STEM. Obviously this does not apply to all young Maori, but it is prevalent to a much greater extent than in the general community.

    So naturally a government mandated vaccination programme is viewed with suspicion.

    I guess one thing the govt could do is get many more role models among the younger Maori community who would advocate for vaccination.In fact we are seeing this happen.

    But getting to 90% will be a struggle.

    Wayne

    September 24, 2021 at 1:07 pm

  4. A government which is willing to give the Maori 16% (probably less than this because a sizeable number will choose not to use the Maori health structure) of the population veto power over the rest of the population in the new health structure can scarcely object if Maoris, by refusing vaccination, effectively veto policy and practice for the rest.

    davelenny

    September 24, 2021 at 1:41 pm

    • What do you think will happen once the Super Maori Health Service is up that when Maori are in an accident they will only want Maori Doctors, Surgeons and Nurses, or at least those non Maori who speak a dialect of Te Reo, and there are none available ?
      Invoke the Treaty of Waitangi I suppose.

      Papa Mike

      September 24, 2021 at 2:33 pm

  5. “Colonialism, Capitalism, Natural Remedies” – what a crock of shit !

    Maybe they don’t know what possible long-term side effects might be (no one does), and don’t want to blindly inject themselves with that shit yet – a perfectly rational stance I might add.

    And no one is ever going to be “fully vaccinated”. We’re being frog-marched onto a Booster Treadmill we won’t be able to get off very easily, if at all.

    Porky Roebuck

    September 24, 2021 at 2:00 pm

    • I’m with you Porky! Not often though. Have you takin a pill…just askin for a friend

      Who needs to inject that shit when there is clearly no need to.

      The guys who work for me aint in the 3 law degree end of the qualifications division but they are top of the practical solution side of things, and perfectly able to reason.

      Its like taking blood pressure medicine , once you are on the treadmill you cant get off it easily, but at least that has gone through thorough testing over a long period.

      Unlike the shit you guys have literally swallowed.

      Pfizer the No liability vaccine!! Guaranteed by the Govt..haha..

      I guess agent orange came with the same guarantees? Safe to spray on humans

      rossco

      September 24, 2021 at 6:26 pm

  6. PR … I’ll take WM’s assessment of what might be holding down the Maori vaccination rate over yours given his extensive ties to Maoridom. But actually that’s not the issue. Seems to me the Government is in danger of becoming a prisoner to its own rhetoric by insisting that a 90% vaccination rate among all ethnic groups is a requirement before they will consider moving to whatever they deem to be the new normal.

    As WM said (and I agree) the 90% target for Maori is going to be a real challenge and, if it doesn’t happen, what then? I’m not sure the rest of NZL will accept being held captive by elements of Maoridom.

    The Veteran

    September 24, 2021 at 2:11 pm

    • In reality getting to 90% of any ethnicity will be difficult, if not impossible, because there are enough thinking people who won’t want a bar of the vaccine. Jacinda know this from her polling which is why the 90% figure is a ploy to keep her in power.

      Paranormal

      September 24, 2021 at 5:37 pm

    • Absolutely agree Vet. As per your previous post, this is coming to critical mass.

      Chris Jones

      September 24, 2021 at 5:46 pm

  7. I will never tire of saying ‘you got the dumbarse gummint you didn’t vote for.’

    And as for these brainwashed brown young fools? Maybe they need a Chinese Communist invasion to teach them about colonization.

    Please spare me the pious bullshit about ‘pure Maori tradition.’ Take a trip to the Auckland reference library and read all about the ‘pure’ man eating, barbaric, slave owning, cousin fucking savages who were saved from themselves by British settlers.

    adolffinkensen

    September 24, 2021 at 2:41 pm

  8. adolf,

    You missed my point. It is not what I think, it is what many young Maori think. Based on numerous discussions with younger people within my extended family. You might think it is pious bullshit, but then you are not likely to influence what many young Maori think, and for that matter, neither do I have much influence. They believe what they believe.

    The point I was making is that those set of beliefs make it harder for many of them to accept a state mandated vaccination plan with the vaccine being supplied by a big pharma multinational. Hence my view why it is unlikely Maori, at least the younger generation, will vaccinate at the same level as the general population.

    Wayne

    September 25, 2021 at 9:00 am

    • Wayne, you were comfortably absent from my consciousness when I wrote the comment.

      Your young rellies have been brainwashed my the Marxists who you have allowed to infest your faculty lunchrooms.

      What are you going to do about it?

      adolffinkensen

      September 25, 2021 at 11:16 am


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