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Controlled Experiments

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An interesting story – and for those so inclined, an amusing one – out of the United States.

How Amish Communities Became The First To Achieve Covid “Herd Immunity”.

A reporter interviewed members of the Amish communities in Pennsylvania to see how they’ve been handling Covid-19 without electricity, TV or the Internet, with limited phones and basically just being cut off from the outside world, as has been their practice since their founding in the US over a century ago.

The Amish are a Christian group that emphasizes the virtuous over the superficial. They don’t usually drive, use electricity, or have TVs. And during the Covid-19 outbreak, they became subjects in a massive social and medical experiment.

After a short shutdown last year, the Amish chose a unique path that led to Covid-19 tearing through at warp speed. It began with an important religious holiday in May.

You can read the details at the link but some key quotes:

There’s three things the Amish don’t like. And that’s government— they won’t get involved in the government, they don’t like the public education system— they won’t send their children to education, and they also don’t like the health system. They rip us off. Those are three things that we feel like we’re fighting against all the time. Well, those three things are all part of what Covid is. (Calvin Lapp, Amish Mennonite)

Funnily enough that’s the surname of the Amish family with which detective John Book resides in the famous movie Witness.

When they take communion, they dump their wine into a cup and they take turns to drink out of that cup. So, you go the whole way down the line, and everybody drinks out of that cup, if one person has coronavirus, the rest of church is going to get coronavirus. The first time they went back to church, everybody got coronavirus.

Also interviewed was one Steve Nolt, a scholar on Amish and Mennonite culture, and Mennonite himself.

Sharyl: “So, are you saying, as of about May of 2020, things kind of went back to normal in the Amish community?”

Steve Nolt: “For the most part, yeah, by the middle of May, it’s sort of like back to a typical behavior again”.

Back to a normal life by May 2020 and ever since! With no lockdowns, no masks and no vaccinations.

There’s debate over case numbers because the Amish largely refused to get tested:

Lapp: “We didn’t want the numbers to go up, because then they would shut things more. What’s the advantage of getting a test?

Well if you’re a government and you need to frighten the shit out of a population but can’t show sufficient numbers of hospitalisations or deaths then “case numbers” become vital (BTW, it looks like NZ’s track-and-trace system is about to break down).

But here’s the key aspect:

One thing’s clear: there’s no evidence of any more deaths among the Amish than in places that shut down tight— some claim there were fewer here.

Lapp: “Oh, we’re glad all the English people got their Covid vaccines. That’s great. Because now we don’t have to wear a mask, we can do what we want. So good for you. Thank you. We appreciate it. Us? No, we’re not getting vaccines. Of course not. We all got the Covid, so why would you get a vaccine?”

Meantime, at almost the opposite end of the scale for a technological society….

The good news for Singapore is that the death rate continues to clunk along at … around 0.015%.

The bad news, out of Israel, is that two jabs no longer counts as “fully vaccinated” and a booster shot is now required in that country. With a stroke of a pen that nation went from 80%+ fully vaccinated to about 65%.

Written by Tom Hunter

October 15, 2021 at 8:42 am

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  1. That is an uncontrolled experiment – no scientist has set it up and the “subjects” are not that eager to co-operate with the data harvesters

    The Amish can serve as a control group though – it is a fair assumption that they are not lining up to be jabbed and it is also a fair assumption that they are effectively immune at this point

    They are also well placed to withstand any societal collapse of course

    Did you know they are one of the fastest growing demographics in the USA? They have large families and about 2/3rds of their children opt to remain Amish when they reach adulthood.

    That story comes from Lancaster County PA – which provides the canonical image of the Amish but they are far more diverse than that

    There is a community of Amish in rural Montana who are far more at ease with modern technology who also had Covid run through their community of about 200 souls with zero “deaths” even though some elderly folks, people in their eighties and nineties, came down with it and they were all tested.

    One thing that has always made me suspicious is the talk has always focused on ventilators and vaccinations but you hear virtually zero about how to treat people who have the disease in the home setting where most of them will be and those who suggest options that may reduce the seriousness and duration of the disease are usually vilified and their suggestions not subject to scientific scrutiny


    October 15, 2021 at 10:21 am

  2. That is an uncontrolled experiment – no scientist has set it up and the “subjects” are not that eager to co-operate with the data harvesters

    My title was somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

    … but you hear virtually zero about how to treat people who have the disease in the home setting where most of them will be…

    Given that the government has acknowledged MIQ facilities will be swamped and that self-isolation will be the way forward, I’m surprised (not really) that they have not spun their wheels to get hold of a couple of hundred thousand monoclonal antibodies packs or other therapeutic treatments, plus the ability to deliver those in a home environment. I see some talk of getting some new pill from Merck, but that’s dependent on overseas approval, is expensive as hell, and so far shows no better success than other treatments.

    In fact there’s hardly any information provided here on what to do if you get Covid-19, which means people may turn up at hospitals when it’s not necessary for their symptoms.

    Gosh, it’s almost as if, having failed in lockdown, they’re betting the farm on vaccinations and want nothing to interfere with that messaging, even if it will save lives as it has overseas.

    Tom Hunter

    October 15, 2021 at 11:22 am

    • Meanwhile, ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine are ignored or demonized due to lack of enormous profits for Big Pharma.


      October 15, 2021 at 7:28 pm

  3. Reblogged this on Utopia, you are standing in it!.

    Jim Rose

    October 15, 2021 at 3:40 pm

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