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JACINDA IS RIGHT

In acknowledging that she has facilitated two classes of New Zealanders … let the evidence speak for itself.

Yesterday at Waitangi a crowd variously reported as being between 500 and 2,000 gathered at the Te Tii (Lower) Marae to acknowledge/commemorate the Declaration of Independence by the United Tribes of New Zealand signed by 34 (Ngapuhi) tribal leaders. The Declaration comprises four articles and asserts that sovereign power and authority resides with the Confederation of Tribes and that no foreigners can make laws. They offered protection for British subjects in their territory in return for King William’s protection against threats to their mana.

Sorry Hone … the people that I saw gathered at the Marae were not led by Pakeha anti-vaxers. There were very few Pakeha there. 98% would have been Maori. Many were carrying the United Tribes flag.

There was zip, zero social distancing among the crowd and very few were masked up.

The Police seemed happy to let the occasion proceed without intervention.

You see it at tangi where gang members are involved. You see at at Waitangi where gang members would have been in a decided minority.

Begs the question … why should the rest of us bother. Two classes of New Zealanders indeed.

Written by The Veteran

October 28, 2021 at 2:20 pm

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  1. No point moaning about it Veteran

    You are are letting her get away with it – don’t let her

    If people start taking back their freedoms the way these people are, and I consider them patriots then Jacinda can do nothing

    She is nothing but a tin pot dictator but only because you allow her to be

    Andrei

    October 28, 2021 at 2:38 pm

    • Correct Andrei, doing nothing tangible is implicitly agreeing with it.

      Uncoffined

      October 28, 2021 at 2:52 pm

  2. Andrei … Ardern is part of a democratically government. The people are right even when they’re wrong. What part of democracy don’t you understand? I guess you are advocating mass scale civil disobedience … you let that genie out of the bottle and you have the recipe for anarchy. Is that your way forward out of the mess we’re in …. just asking.

    The Veteran

    October 28, 2021 at 2:49 pm

    • The Government governs with the consent of the governed Veteran,

      Was Sophie Scholl a heroine or a traitor?

      What about Mahatma Gandhi?

      Andrei

      October 28, 2021 at 3:02 pm

    • I can’t believe you wrote that Veteran. I could use your argument to justify 1930s Germany

      Uncoffined

      October 28, 2021 at 5:39 pm

  3. Ardern is not governing democratically any more at all. It’s just her own rules now made up to suit, as our freedoms and God given rights are utterly trashed. A PM well out of control, utterly dividing the nation, creating two classes of people, pushing hate and anger and blame. How is that good for our so called democracy?/ Feels more like 30’s Germany to me that the New Zealand I always knew!

    Tanya Stebbing

    October 28, 2021 at 4:09 pm

  4. Uncoffined et al .. I really worry at some of these comments. You are in effect arguing for a coups d’Etet. In doing so you align yourself with the fascist left and lose all credibility. Sigh.

    The Veteran

    October 28, 2021 at 7:08 pm

    • Correct. They were voted in. They are behaving legally if appallingly and disgracefully. There is nothing you people can do about it apart from vote them out next time.

      End of.

      John JohnO

      October 28, 2021 at 7:14 pm

    • So it was immoral to overthrow Hitler then?
      After all, everything he did was legal and he was voted in.
      Democracy is the best form of Government we have, but that doesn’t make it perfect.

      Uncoffined

      October 28, 2021 at 7:21 pm

  5. I hope Brian Tamaki’s lawyers are noting the lack of action by the police. Just another example of their selective and discriminatory behaviour to advance a defence of bullying and bias.

    Marc Williams

    October 28, 2021 at 7:43 pm

  6. When the government removes freedoms the way they are doing, I am all for protesting and making a stand. That is not staging a coup, nor doing anything illegal. Except that the government is banning protests and making a protest illegal.

    Peaceful protests should NEVER BE ILLEGAL. It should trump many of these bullshit health orders, when as many people are probably out on the beach “exercising in their bubble” the same day as protesters in the park. When more people leave Auckland every day with a valid government issued permit, than the number that turn up to protest.

    ZenTiger

    October 28, 2021 at 9:02 pm

  7. Uncoffined … your comment re Hitler. There was a coup d’etat. It failed. Yes, Claus Stauffenburg acted honorably according to his beliefs but it was the overthrow of a government by force. Man up … tell us, is that what you’re advocating because, if you are, it changes the conversation.

    The Veteran

    October 28, 2021 at 9:25 pm

  8. You are in effect arguing for a coups d’Etet. In doing so you align yourself with the fascist left and lose all credibility. Sigh.

    Nobody is arguing for a “coup d’etat”

    And since when was arguing for personal freedoms and liberty a feature of the ” fascist left
    ?

    Here is our problem – we had a general election last year and an appalling Government that needed replacing

    But the only viable alternative was the National Party of New Zealand, with Parliamentary Caucus more focused on toppling their own leadership and climbing the totem pole within the party ranks than holding the Government to account

    And here we are a year later with many of our citizens under still involuntary house arrest, the economy on the verge of collapse, the media bought and paid for, and the opposition still MIA as the country is about to implode as every thing that makes it a good place to live is dismantled

    It was good while it lasted, I guess

    Andrei

    October 28, 2021 at 9:29 pm

  9. Veteran, as Andrei has said, there is no suggestion from me of some sort of coup -those are your words. As for what I intend to do about the issues I’m not happy with, I’ve already donated towards various organisations concerned about it for a start.

    Uncoffined

    October 28, 2021 at 10:12 pm

  10. Uncoffined … this thread is going off topic. You asked whether it was immoral to overthrow Hitler. The reality was that the only way to do that was by coup d’etet. Certainly the ballot box was out of the question given the passing of the Enabling Act. The only way to rid ourselves of a government that is taking New Zealand down a path that I reject completely is via the ballot box. End of story.

    If you are donating to Hobson’s Choice or the Taxpayers Union et all then all well and good but the democratic process must be respected otherwise we will end up like Russia.

    The Veteran

    October 29, 2021 at 8:08 am

    • Russia is far more democratic than New Zealand or even the USA Veteran

      The Deputies in the Duma actually represent the people and not special interests as their equivalents, the MPs do here.

      Andrei

      October 29, 2021 at 8:24 am

  11. JACINDA ARDERN WINS PLANK OF THE WEEK ON UK’S TALK RADIO

    Good, political commentary – needs to be spread widely.

    Tom Hunter, they throw in a bit about Biden as well! 😛

    Lucia Maria

    October 29, 2021 at 12:13 pm

  12. Andrei … try telling that to Алексей Анатольевич Навальный providing always you can get him at the corrective labour colony (jail) in the Vladimir Oblast where he is no doubt enjoying his all expense paid holiday per courtesy of the Russian State. Mind you, he clearly is a tough old bird having survived the Novichok poisoning attempt. Yep, Mother Russia is the exemplar of a democratic state.

    The Veteran

    October 29, 2021 at 1:36 pm

    • Ever heard of a fellow called Julian Assange Veteran?

      Or the so called January 6th protestors?

      Do you scan in at the supermarket? Wearing your mask of course?

      Have you the your shots, the ones the sole arbiter of the Truth, with a Capital T, say are good for you?

      Andrei

      October 29, 2021 at 2:16 pm

    • Hi guys,

      Not wanting to wade into the middle of this, given my opinions on Russia, as Andrei well knows.

      However, .., I think the Russians can teach us a lot about how to deal with what is going on right now, given the long experience of living with despots for like, .. forever, I suppose.

      Damn, I’m looking a bit Phil Ure – like. Whatever happened to him?

      Lucia Maria

      October 29, 2021 at 5:14 pm


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