According to those who still pay attention to the NZ MSM, Chris Bishop – National’s Covid-19 Response spokesman – said on some TV program a few weeks ago that children will need to be vaccinated soon. In this he was merely parroting what we’ve been hearing from the government for a while now.
In the USA Pfizer, after weeks of pressing for children from 5-11 to be vaccinated, finally got the FDA to agree, though it is only “emergency” use.
What emergency is that? I’d like to think it’s for kids who have health problems that Covid-19 might take advantage of. But I suspect the fear pornography will be ramped up again to include all kids.
For example, did you know that 900,000 children were hospitalised with Xi Snot Virus on the USA in the last year, according to the New York Time’s dedicated Covid reporter?
At least they issued a correction, but what confidence can you have in such a reporter who can’t even get a basic count correct?
Of course the really important numbers would be how many of those 63,000 had other health problems, how many got severely ill, and how many died. The latter at least we know: 700 since the onset of Alpha, (to Nov 11) out of a nation of 330 million. Annualised it’s about 400.
Based on those figures, it would seem that New Zealand might have around 6 children under the age of18 die from Covid-19.
Each year about 100 children die from unintentional injury.
“Thinking that everyone must be vaccinated is as scientifically flawed as thinking that nobody should. COVID vaccines are important for older high-risk people, and their care-takers. Those with prior natural infection do not need it. Nor children.”
What fringe nutter said that? What weirdo website came up this guy?
Dr. Martin Kulldorff is a professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School and a biostatistician and epidemiologist at the Brigham and Women’s Hospital. He helped develop the CDC’s current system for monitoring potential vaccine risks.
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A Harvard Medical School colleague specializing in drug and vaccine safety research, Jeffrey Brown, said that Kulldorff is a “world-class” vaccine safety “superstar,” “His qualifications are spectacular,…He’s an international expert in vaccine safety. No one on earth would question whether he’s qualified. … He’s a pioneer.”
Okay. So what about the claims that the children will spread the virus, even if they don’t get sick and die from it? After all, even the great Dr Fauci has made this claim (yes, I know his history of bullshit and flip-flops):
The lecture took place shortly after the UK’s Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI) decided not to recommend vaccinating all children between the ages of 12 and 15 years old for COVID-19 after a risk-benefit analysis.
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During the lecture, Fauci discussed why he felt it was important to vaccinate children… Fauci referred to children as “vehicles of spread.”
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Fauci discussed hospitalizations among children in the Southeast during the Delta surge. He said, “We are almost overrun. We have a lot of children in hospitals now. So even though, relatively speaking, compared to an adult they don’t get as seriously ill. We have lost more children from SARS-CoV-2 than we ever lose for influenza — and we vaccinate children against influenza.”
That was two months ago and even then the data did not support his claims:
First, the Southeast was experiencing a surge in the Delta variant while it had an offseason spike in respiratory syncytial virus (RSV). According to the CDC, 58,000 children under the age of five are hospitalized for RSV annually and the symptoms are very similar to COVID-19. The CDC’s Associated Hospital Surveillance Network (COVID-NET) collects age-specific hospitalization data for COVID-19. Through September 11, 2021, the week with the highest number of hospitalizations for children under 18 during the Delta wave, 117 children in its network were hospitalized with COVID-19. The network includes Georgia, which Fauci cited specifically in his lecture. If pediatric beds were full, they were not filled with COVID-19-positive children even, if all 117 were in Georgia.
As regards child transmission:
There is no data to indicate that children transmit COVID-19 to adults at greater rates than they did early in the pandemic. An early genetic study in Iceland found that transmission almost always went from adults to children. We should study whether Delta changes that pattern. We should not assume (in order to justify vaccinating children) that because Delta is more transmissible, it has changed the pattern
We know that cases fell in schools in the UK during the Delta surge. Rates of transmission were lower in schools than in the surrounding community despite there being no masking requirements. No one knows why this was the case. It could be due to the twice-a-week testing requirement, the overall seroprevalence due to asymptomatic infections in children earlier in the pandemic, or the lower transmission rates for children. We should probably find out.
Fauci did not know what he was talking about.
This also came just after his public claims about booster shots blew up in his face. Fauci said that the third dose of the vaccine would provide maximum immunity and, along with President Biden, set the expectation that all vaccinated Americans would be eligible for a booster shot. Millions of Americans probably believed him.
Then the FDA voted against recommending COVID-19 booster shots for all Americans 16 and older. The vote was based on the clinical data and a risk-benefit analysis, and was not even close, with 16 voting against and only two voting for the broad-based booster. Fauci promptly did what he’s best at and scrambled to walk back his words by going on five Sunday talk shows.
The FDA discussions made public were an alert in themselves when it comes to kids:
Doran Fink, M.D., deputy director of the clinical side of the FDA’s Division of Vaccines and Related Products Applications, provided some insight into the frequency of myocarditis. The highest reporting rate in the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) is for young men between the ages of 16 and 17. Health claims data in the U.S. show an incidence of approximately 1:5,000, largely following the second dose of an mRNA vaccine. Israel, which has electronic medical records to base reports on, shows a rate of 1:6,000. Fink stressed that there is no data on the risk of myocarditis and pericarditis following the third dose in any age group.
Dr. Arnold Monto, the acting committee chair, asked Fink if it was possible to determine at what age the side effect ceased to be a problem. Fink’s complete answer was astonishing.
“If you look at the healthcare claims data, you see that there is evidence of some attributable risk at all age groups, although, the older you get, the higher the risk of complications from COVID that offset the risk of myocarditis. So, when you look at the balances of risk versus benefit, what we really start to see is risk of myocarditis being higher [than COVID-19] in males under age 40.”
The following is an FDA chart on the benefits and risks of child vaccinations, and the tradeoff between ICU stays for COVID and ICU stays for myocarditis and pericarditis. The numbers for 5 – 11 year-old boys jumps out at you.
Incidently, before the claim is made that these are all “pandemics in the unvaccinated”, people should read this new analysis published in the European Journal of Epidemiology that shows no discernible relationship between the proportions of populations fully vaccinated and new Covid-19 cases.
Or you could address the study published by the CDC that refutes the common claim that COVID-19 is a “pandemic of the unvaccinated.” Coauthored by more than 50 MDs and Ph.D.’s, the study contains data on the vaccine status of adults hospitalized with COVID-19 at 21 U.S. hospitals across 18 states from March to August of 2021. This article takes a look at it and the British figures, which are more detailed.
the study found that 13% of patients hospitalized with C-19 had been fully vaccinated. Moreover, that 13% figure is just the tip of the iceberg because the authors excluded from their study a large group of hospitalized C-19 patients, the bulk of whom were likely vaccinated.
About half of the omitted group and 27% of the C-19 patients in these hospitals were people with “immunocompromising conditions,” such as cancer, HIV, rheumatoid arthritis, psoriasis, scleroderma, and Crohn’s disease. In the words of an FDA official and 18 other coauthors published in a medical journal, “immunocompromised individuals” were “prioritized for early immunization” and are “plausibly more likely to be offered and seek vaccination” because they are highly vulnerable to C-19.
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The authors of the CDC study also excluded another 25% of all people hospitalized with C-19 because they were partially vaccinated, “received a COVID-19 vaccine other than Moderna, Pfizer-BioNTech, or Janssen [J&J],” or “received doses of two different COVID-19 vaccine products.”
Meantime from the British National Health Care system came this:
Filling the gap left by the vagueness of the CDC’s study, a precise measure of the vaccine status of people who died from the COVID-19 Delta variant is available from the United Kingdom, where the government keeps detailed healthcare records on nearly all citizens. Relevantly, the U.S. and U.K. have very similar C-19 death rates and had roughly equivalent vaccination rates over the period of the CDC study.
In the U.K. from February through August 2021, 62% of all COVID-19 Delta variant deaths were among the fully vaccinated. This amounts to a conclusive majority in a dataset with virtually every death included.
The article also contains a detailed list of the MSM sites and articles that pushed the claim and analysis of why there data was so misleading – and likely still is, since I’ve not heard any of this being walked back by them.
The story behind the talking point that COVID-19 is “a pandemic of the unvaccinated” is a textbook case of how false statistics are born and proliferate. Hence, it provides valuable insights into the dangers of blind trust and how to recognize deceitful rhetoric.
Perhaps somebody should ask the people at the Podium Of Truth whether NZ is, at a minimum, buying monoclonal antibody treatments? Some questions about vaccinating kids would be nice as well and although I was heartened by finding this Stuff article – Should we vaccinate kids? – it’s swamped by the alternative Narrative:
“Then for other children in the 5-11-year-old age group, you really have to put a high premium on ensuring safety. Because we know that once you’ve excluded that probably 2 or 3 per cent of children with severe other problems, then the rest of the children, the chance of them getting even more than a cold or something they may not even notice, is really very small.” – Peter McIntyre. Otago University professor of women’s and children’s health,
No Minister 
Every time that man opens his mouth he reminds us why National is not a viable alternative to the Labour Party
I’m staggered at how little this is being debated. That Stuff article I linked to is a rare gem but it’s outnumbered 10 to 1 by other articles that merely talk about the practical details of when approval will come for injecting the kids and how it shall be accomplished.
Yesterday, during a walk here in Auckland I ran into an old Playcentre acquaintance, a mid-50’s woman with multiple degrees in physics, and she was gung ho for this to happen. 90%? Try 100% in her mind. I had to end the conversation as it was too saddening. We are possessed of a great madness.
Never a truer word has been spoken
Why conduct an intrusive medical procedure involving an untested vaccine to provide prophylaxis against a disease in a group that it presents zero threat to?
And even worse the vaccine doesn’t even work very well! It may even be making matters worse
But question the received wisdom at your peril
Hi Tom, there’s a common theme that runs thru peoples heads -whats in it for me.
Therefore that mid 50’s women is thinking only about herself and her own mortality and doesn’t give a stuff about kids.
It’s a different story if you talk to parents thou, they are a lot more circumspect about an experimental vaccine for a child that has zero chance of been badly affected by covid.
I’m a bit past simply debating the issue with people who are only interested in how it affects them and nothing else.
I too am staggered at how many people refuse to debate it, discuss it, consider it, and keep thinking the media and the government are fair and objective, when they continuously prove themselves to be otherwise.
A mass psychosis has affected many people. Those that I speak with, after peeling back the layers, seem to have this baseline view that the death rate is in the order of 50% or higher. It doesn’t matter what information comes in, its “misinformation” or can be explained away in order to protect their view of reality.
It’s partially the fear porn of the MSM, but also a great example of the general inability of most people to deal with numbers and probability, as I covered in the post Your Brain on Murder – and Covid-19:
As I’ve said elsewhere, I’m also disgusted that we are recording a gunshot death as a COVID death. Oh sure, in some tables, the distinction will be clear, but publishing the total COVID deaths as a number including these deaths will never be considered misinformation. Just an unfortunate wording issue.
Actually I’m really pleased they have so publicly counted the gunshot victim as a covid death. It has started a whole new tranche of people thinking WTF?
Get over it anti-vaxers. The jab the jab. It is is what it is and your blatherings ain’t gonna to get the government (any government) to change its mind and walk back on their policy. Better you concentrated your efforts on the things you can get traction on like tapping into the developing concern about the actions of an increasingly authoritarian regime determined to ramrod through legislation dividing the country along racial lines and, in doing so, changing the face of New Zealand as we know it.
Pick the fights you can win …its politics 101.
Some fights, Veteran, are so fundamental that they must be fought no matter what the odds and what the cost
One of those fights worth fighting is the fight against fascism and make no mistake that is what this country is descending into.
The “jab” isn’t just “the jab” it is a symbol of compliance and the surrender of control over your own body to Big Government
And vaccine passports are pure malignant evil – a tool that will allow the Government to control every thing you do.
Covid will go away but vaccine passports wont – there will always be a deadly virus that will justify their continued existence and new conditions that you must comply with if you wish to live your everyday life
Once the tools are in place it could even extend as far as your Labour Party dues being current being a requirement before you can buy a bottle of milk
Hi Veteran, strongly disagree with you.
This is a fight that can be won if people are willing to talk openly about it. That’s what is sucking all the oxygen from it – the media is actively suppressing dissent and too many have been buying into that.
And, if the media can do that with this issue, then what stops them from doing it with any other fight such as the one you mention? May as well give up now.
“Pick the fights you can win”
Hi Veteran. Sometimes you need to win the fights you can’t pick.
yep, whatever. Don Quixote comes readily to mind as does the leaves from the trees. So, do you really thjnk the gummit is going to backtrack on vaccines? Conserve your ammunition for where it really counts. The inability of the uber right to understand politics 101 is both sad and expected.
I want them to backtrack on forced vaccination, and on requiring 100% compliance in order to have a job, as a principle. I want the option for people to refuse the 5th booster, when pfizer announce that the 5th booster has “new improved” features that will be tested willingly by New Zealanders as part of a great deal Adern negotiates to head off the Omega variant – the variant that seems to be more transmissible through children and protects us from risking a shortage of plastic tubes in ICU.
I’m not sure when a Panzer rolled over your head and caused the damage, but I’m not uber right, and as a double-jabbed person, you can only accuse me of being suspicious of big pharma and stupid government.
Forced vaccination with a potentially lethal genetic manipulation concoction is where it “really counts,” Vet. If you can’t see that, the jabs you unthinkingly took have softened your brain.
PS: I have actually passed Politics 101. It was part of my Political Science degree.
I had hoped that in terms of “fights” we could have – merely for the sake of argument – set aside all the other aspects of vaccinations and just focus on the main point of this post, which is that there are a stack of medical experts that do not think kids need to be vaccinated.
Or is this simply another fight that’s already lost in NZ despite the mass of evidence from overseas?
Yes, we must think of the children 🙂
All jests aside, you are right.
In addition to your links, I’ve seen a few American pro-vax doctors with significant You-tube channels suddenly look very concerned, as they crunched the numbers and decided their own kids had a higher chance of getting a poor outcome from the vaccine than from acquiring COVID and building natural immunity.
It is interesting to see them struggle with a year of pro-vax messaging to then work out if children, and especially their children, should be getting vaccinated for this.
This may be where more parents start to want more information from the Ministry of single Source of Truth, and firmer assurances.
Hi Tom,
I suspect this fight hasn’t even started yet. Until now, the average person has got the jab and followed the rules simply to get back to normality, however, normality hasn’t happened and the paranoia is subsiding, so parents are going to think twice about a risky vaccine for no benefit for their child.
I expect the rollout to be dumped on the public during the school holidays (when everyone’s happy) with the narrative that it must be done before the school year starts. (or else).
This will be on top of everything else going on.
P.S. I hope you weren’t looking forward to a merry xmas, because it ain’t gunna be much fun.
NZs latest explosion in China Aids came after the big vax push.
National and ACT as an opposition, have capitulated the high ground, their country, the future, to their Pfizer donors. Trying to justify their morbid stance I reject utterly. They are failed empty ideology at the moment and will never have my support. Too much stupid. So there’s that. They could confess and repent. But I don’t think national will win power for years, not nimble or energetic, so they need to take the Pfizer bucks.
Why has politics come down to the least worst. A quick review of Nationals front bench is distressing. Do they reflect us? Really? We’re fcked.