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Many of you will have seen the report on TV One news last night of unprecedented numbers quitting the military (particularly the Army) over their continued employment as security guards et al managing MIQ facilities. It left Chief of Army (MGEN Boswell … he of the write an essay calling out a fixation on wokeness in the Army and have your feet cut out from under you fame) lamenting that this mass exiting has serious implications on the ability of the Army to carry out its primary role. That warning was reinforced by a separate message from the Sergeant Major of the Army (WO1 Moffitt) imploring those leaving to think again for the good of the service.

Those joining the military do so for a variety of reasons … none of them being the expectation they will spend an extended period as a glorified security guard. Yes, you can argue that can be justified as a short term expedient while government negotiates with private security providers to provide long term cover …. but the use of the military in this role has clearly developed a degree of permanency and there is a price to be paid in doing that and the chickens are coming home to roost.

Question is …. does anyone care. Clearly the government doesn’t.

Written by The Veteran

November 28, 2021 at 11:33 am

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  1. This government doesn’t care, Vet, because soldiers don’t cost. They’d have to pay Armourguard but they’re paying the airmen, sailors and soldiers already. Since Labour post Bob Tizard couldn’t give a hoot about defence or foreign policy qv the Ministers for each, they’d be mugs to fork out new money for MIQ, thus depriving themselves of dosh for bribes. The only mugs currently are the stupid voters who put this motley mob of racists into office.


    November 28, 2021 at 11:43 am

  2. I hate to say this but I don’t believe our Army, Navy or Air Force are capable of performing their primary duty of defending this country, nor have they been for decades – through no fault of their members I should add.

    Thus the only other role I can see them being used for is the suppression of the civilian population, twisted as it would be as “defending this country”, in circumstances as we now find ourselves with divisions.

    As such I’m rather relieved to learn that our military is being weakened, as it means less chance of a bunch of armed men turning up at my door in support of the Police when I am found to have breached some new Labour Party law or other – vaccination mandates, hate speech, etc.

    Tom Hunter

    November 28, 2021 at 11:53 am

  3. Tom: our Forces have never been structured to “defend the country”. In the 1930s the Regular Army was about 300 soldiers! Even when we had a strike capability a determined enemy could have landed successfully. Knowing NZers they’d have been made welcome. The defence of the realm has always been a collective matter, depending on the RN and the US. I assume you’re making a joke. Stick to your day job. Bore the enemy to death. 😀


    November 28, 2021 at 12:13 pm

    • I should have Oz to the allies.


      November 28, 2021 at 12:13 pm

    • The defence of the realm has always been a collective matter, depending on the RN and the US.

      … and Oz

      Well, thank god we’re actually burning our bridges with them then. The last thing I need is some bloody bunch of Marines dropping out of the sky or a missile in my yard.

      BTW, have you considered volunteering, given your military background. You’ve been double vaccinated so you’re safe, correct?

      Tom Hunter

      November 28, 2021 at 12:43 pm

  4. Addressed to Cassandra? I think I’ve done my bit. From 1959 to give you idea of when. And even if I hadn’t, have you seen me run? Not pretty.


    November 28, 2021 at 12:47 pm

    • I should not have used the word volunteering, given your service to the country already. As such I’d expect them to bloody well pay you – and more than minimum wage. But then that just returns to Vet’s point.

      Amazing Labour can piss money away on so many things except the likes of nurses and this area.

      Tom Hunter

      November 28, 2021 at 12:51 pm

  5. Tom … one has to wonder if you are reflecting the views of ACT or just yourself. I hope not the former. If its the latter then I have to say I never figured you out as an appeaser preferring a head in the sand do nothing approach to events in our region.

    The Veteran

    November 28, 2021 at 1:09 pm

    • Rest assured Vet it is only myself, and far from being an appeaser I would very much like to see us with a military that’s capable of defending the nation, even if that would still require assistance from our traditional allies.

      So lets’s say a minimum of four frigates, plus decent troop transport capability from the Navy (and the Air Force too), a larger Army with some decent battlefield systems for anti-tank, anti-aircraft and anti-artillery capabilities, and an Air Force that, if it is not to have air strike capability, should at least have a lot of ground-support capability for the PBI (C130 gunship would do nicely thank you).

      But sadly we have almost none of that, nor are we likely to see anything close to it ever, thanks to a combination of Right-wing fiscal conservatism and Left-wing attitudes against anything military.

      Which leads me back to my conclusion that all we’ve really got at present is a force capable only of internal suppression and a leadership that likely would be all in for such deployment. A para-military force if you will, with all that that implies.

      Tom Hunter

      November 28, 2021 at 1:27 pm

  6. Tom: totally agree with you in principle. However, if there has to be a choice – and there does – then I’d prioritize the 4 frigates. An all-arms army would be a novelty of limited use in comparison and we’d have an almighty job in staffing it. We had immense difficulties in the days of Reflex 1 & 2 (which dates me), just in the command, control and logistics area. We now haven’t anyone under 80 who has a clue about anything above she b-nit or at best a light battalion.


    November 28, 2021 at 1:55 pm

    • Good God. she b-nit was actually typed as sub-unit. I think I prefer she b-nit.


      November 28, 2021 at 3:33 pm

  7. We are actually in a state of everything being burned to the ground, it’s just happening in slow motion, therefore it’s difficult to see. Those that resist are seen as anomalies as everyone else just hopes life will go back to normal. Normal has gone. Maybe we can still rescue it before the fires really take hold.

    So … yes, people care. But it just one of many, many things that are invisibly collapsing around us.

    Lucia Maria

    November 28, 2021 at 2:39 pm

  8. One of my first operational deployments was to the Solomon Islands. Whilst we left the place in a much better state than when ‘we’ first went in, I knew we’d be needed back.

    A couple of days ago the Australians redeployed there, both police and Aus Defence Force – without any NZ involvement, because we are incapable of anything like that right now. We are needed there, but we are not there.

    This is why so many of us are leaving. We see the need to train and deploy in our actual profession. But we are stuck in hotels, getting spat on by mob members with no end date in sight.

    Major Star

    November 28, 2021 at 3:20 pm

    • It is indeed a total misuse of the forces, except in an initial emergency. The sooner NZ gets a better government the better. Two more years, I’m afraid.


      November 28, 2021 at 3:36 pm

    • Major – I am not up to speed at all on our armed forces but think that probably a couple of platoons from Fiji would be better equipped and more use than we would at the moment..


      November 28, 2021 at 3:42 pm

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