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It is Christopher Luxon ex CEO of Air New Zealand and already the knives are out from some keyboard warriors.

It is decided and until it begins to unravel, if and when, why dont people observe the old adage about “keeping silent”—.

One particular line of criticism is centred around his “Faith”, so what? unless that fact of his personal life can be evidenced to having a deleterious impact on performance what is the problem. Our current so called leader was “President” of the world youth socialists and has that been commented on by any of the so called senior MSM operatives, if it has I must have missed it.

Good Luck Mr Luxon and I hope your management skills can overcome the Media Bias and your disparate bunch can at least deliver unified concentrated fire on the appalling mob currently masquerading as a government. The historical descriptive of the battle of “The Philippine Sea” in 1944 that virtually ended the IJN as a fighting force, (completed at the Battle of Layte Gulf four months later) the superiority on offer is very similar. That first battle in the Mariannas was described by an unidentified US Pilot as “just like an old fashioned turkey shoot back home”. Shooting fish in a barrel is also applicable.

Written by Gravedodger

November 30, 2021 at 5:06 pm

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  1. No surprise. We’ve moved from being a secular nation to being an aggressively atheist one – and nasty with it.

    One might say that Bill English proves that’s not the case but he’d been around a long time and his Roman Catholicism is regarded as mainstream compared to Luxon’s, which has always had the dreaded word “American” attached to it.

    Perhaps one way to counter that is to plunge into the South Auckland Pacific Island communities of faith and start asking them why they continue to vote Labour when they’re often so at odds with them on social and religious issues. I doubt it will shift many votes, let alone see National winning seats there, but it would at least force the Labour-MSM complex to to be … delicate…. in their criticisms.

    Tom Hunter

    November 30, 2021 at 5:32 pm

  2. Before quoting the following from Kiwiblog I should note that I’ve had contact with Tony on occasion since he went to Chicago in 2016 to watch the All Blacks vs Ireland and wound up in the middle of the Cub’s World Series insanity. We had good back-and-forth’s on KB as his trip progressed and I “won” a Cubs WS t-shirt (worn the field) from him on his return. I think he’s a good guy.

    But he is also tribal National and so…

    Today on Luxon becoming leader:

    On the basis of his first media conference, where he has been quizzed on everything from his faith to Maori issues, he is far more the “real deal” than Muller could ever have pretended to be. His answers were quick, comprehensive and on point. He’s clearly done his homework, and unlike Muller obviously knows what this job requires, and how big it is going to be.

    May 22, 2020 on Muller becoming leader:

    As I noted in one of the other posts, one aspect Muller will bring to his leadership is the ability to make a quick decision, and to back himself to make the right decision. Contrast that to “government by working group” that we have experienced since late 2017.

    Todd has just finished his first presser as Leader of the Opposition. His opening statement was strong, and his replies to questions from members of the media pack had a level of detail. You’d have to say, he looked right at home at the podium, and has made an excellent first impression.

    Tom Hunter

    November 30, 2021 at 5:41 pm

    • That was Muller’s peak – he went down hill pretty quickly from there.

      I hope Luxon brings a bit more substance and stickability to the job.


      November 30, 2021 at 6:36 pm

  3. The irony of Tony’s polar opposite and contradictory positions is not lost on me.

    Nick K

    November 30, 2021 at 6:42 pm

  4. How tiresome!

    I would remind readers a number of politicians are or were committed Christians. There will be others of whom I’m unaware.

    Jack Marshall

    Winnie Laban

    Jenny Shipley

    Bill English

    Walter Nash

    Michael Savage

    Arnold Nordmeyer

    David Lange

    Robert Muldoon


    November 30, 2021 at 7:12 pm

    • The world has changed Adolf, especially here regarding religion! Or should I say, attitudes towards Christianity. Other religions are more than acceptable.

      Tom Hunter

      November 30, 2021 at 7:29 pm

  5. I’m still waiting for him to make some sort of statement about the legislation passed last week before National imploded. It’s like he hopes if he ignores it, he won’t have to say anything. I mean it was pretty major, with internal “papers” necessary to operate just about everywhere with those who refuse to comply locked out. And so the sound of crickets is very strange.

    Lucia Maria

    November 30, 2021 at 7:39 pm

    • That probably means it’s “cemented in” now and – as Helen Clark often said in her dulcet tones – “It is time to move on”

      Tom Hunter

      November 30, 2021 at 8:18 pm

    • I voted for them, dammit (not mad at you, this was just said with some emotion). They’ve wasted a week with this stupid leadership thing. They can’t just pretend that nothing happened. Anyway, twitter is demanding an answer, will see what happens tomorrow.

      Lucia Maria

      November 30, 2021 at 8:38 pm

  6. Lucia Maria … it was rammed thru parliament under urgency with a certain similarity to the ‘Enabling Act’. It was bereft of Select Committee scrutiny and lacked the normal regulatory commentary that normally accompanies legislation. It was opposed by both National and ACT. It’s what you get when you elect a government that can rule by decree and edit parliament out of the occasion. What else do you expect for National and ACT … a call to civil disobedience? Brian Tamaki would give that the big tick.

    As for the christian values bit. Is that an indication as to how far this country has sunk … attacking a leader because of his christian faith while an apostate Morman who found whisky is elevated by the true believers to something approaching sainthood.

    The Veteran

    November 30, 2021 at 8:38 pm

    • Hi Veteran, what I expect is a continuation of the denouncements made on the day. If nothing is said, and Luxon has basically said they are starting again, then the concern is that the National Party supports rather than opposes the legislation. Especially since the implosion happened directly afterwards, as if people in the party were uncomfortable with the level of opposition.

      Lucia Maria

      November 30, 2021 at 8:41 pm

    • This is not 2019 anymore, the sands are shifting as people get more and more confused about what is going on. The last week in the media here and in the UK that I’ve noticed, things have changed A LOT. To not have the finger on the pulse on the changing mood is to be left looking like you are reacting not leading people. Not good if Luxon wants to be PM.

      Lucia Maria

      November 30, 2021 at 8:44 pm

  7. This is not 2019 anymore, the sands are shifting…

    It’s not 2008 either when I made this comment on Kiwiblog:

    …. what is National going to do should it win this November beyond babysitting the institutions of Labour and the Left. Nursing those things along, tiring all the time and steadily losing votes simply by being in Government and getting blamed for the insanities of those self-same institutions. Until the day comes, one or two election cycles down the road, when a revitalised Labour gets back into power and gets to push forward some more. Ratchet Socialism at its best.

    The interesting thing is that I was almost a lone voice on Kiwiblog with such concerns in 2008 as Key swept all before him.

    Not so much now, judging by the KB commentariat. That in itself should be a worry for National. This is far deeper than some “betrayal” the voters often suffer at the hands of their chosen government over a single issue. It has the smell of the Brexit and Trump voter revolts about it.

    Tom Hunter

    November 30, 2021 at 8:51 pm

    • That’s right! Hubby and I have talked to a number of business owners who are scared. They don’t want to be doing this vax passport thing and they’re terrified of the fines if they don’t follow whatever Jacinda Ardern says. We are getting ruled by decree, not law, no law to be found to check the details.

      And National seems to be saying through their new leader, nothing to see here, let’s just pretend everything is normal, like nothing enormous has just happened. We’ll just give you vague platitudes.

      Platitudes in November 2021 don’t cut it anymore. Judith Collins certainly realised that & I’m not really a fan, but she definitely got what was happening.

      Lucia Maria

      November 30, 2021 at 9:08 pm

  8. LM … I think you are adding 2 and 2 and making 1. Give the man a chance. A more balanced construction on what Luxon said is that National has to reset and focus on the things that matter to the electorate rather than naval gazing. What is done is done thanx to the unbridled power that Ardern enjoys. What people expect is a clear vision of an alternative way forward and a leader they can trust that he will do what he sez he will do. That is his challenge. I’m sure Luxon understands that he can’t expect any great help and support from the more flinty eyed Actoids who inhabit this blog. That’s politics 101.

    The Veteran

    November 30, 2021 at 9:13 pm

    • Will give him a chance, Vet. At this point the question has been asked, not just by me but by a number of people who need to know where National stands now. This does matter to a lot of people ie the electorate. Hopefully he will say something before the traffic lights kick in on Friday.

      Lucia Maria

      November 30, 2021 at 9:34 pm

    • He should talk to small business owners out in the suburbs to get a feel. This is a major issue and National ignores it at their peril.

      Lucia Maria

      November 30, 2021 at 9:36 pm

    • Give the man a chance

      The first time I ever heard the man speak was yesterday and you know what I heard?

      Another drab grey technocrat spouting “paint by numbers” political platitudes about as inspiring as overboiled cabbage


      December 1, 2021 at 4:11 am

  9. Andrei’s Pavlov Dog analysis worth about as much as when the dog squats. But I guess Andrei knows much about over-boiled cabbage. Look, such is Andrei’s disconnect with National, ever since he misread a PR from Bishop and thought he was going to take his cigarettes away, I suspect if JC (no, not that one) was to appear as leader of the Party then Andrei would still have issues with the man.

    The Veteran

    December 1, 2021 at 7:51 am

    • Not a “Pavlov Dog analysis” at all Vet and my disconnect with National occurred not long after the 2008 General Election

      The problem with National is that it tries to be everything to everyone and in the process becomes a big nothing.

      A true leader stands for something and sells what they believe in

      First Question yesterday, was it Tova or was it Jessica, who knows, it matters not which

      Q: What part does religion play in your life and what part will it play in your leadership?

      A: Yeah, I really appreciate the question because to be honest my faith has been misrepresented and portrayed very negatively and what I can tell you about is that my faith has grounded me, it’s given me ah context, put me into context something bigger than myself, but I want to be very clear, we have separation between politics and faith, people shouldn’t be selecting an MP because of their faith and they shouldn’t be not selecting an MP because of their faith, it’s important that everyone understands I am here to represent all of New Zealanders, ah not just not people of one faith or one interest and that’s no different from any other MP or leader that is in this Parliament as well

      But this of course is totally untrue – everybody has a guiding philosophy of some sort. The Greens in their belief system are indistinguishable in the proselytization for their cause than the Jehovah’s Witnesses are for theirs.

      He started well enough if somewhat diffidently and then soon enough came the big “but” and his faith became something you keep in the closet to bring out on Sunday for Church

      He should not be apologizing for his Faith, he should be proud of it and explaining how it forms his guiding principles that will lead to him providing good governance and a just and fair society for all

      Right there, first question and one of the terrible twins had back footed him and had him sweeping a fundamental part of who he is under the rug.

      I call it as I see it


      December 1, 2021 at 8:51 am

  10. Some weeks ago The Vet assured me that, following a conversation with Wayne Mapp, the “Liberal” wing of the National Party to which he once belonged, had shrunk in recent years. The implication was that a religious conservative wing had increased its power, which is certainly what the Left Wing attack squad have been talking up as well.

    In recent years, having watched any number of religious people, including priests and pastors, hang out with every Social Left, virtue-signalling piece of crap you can think of, I laughed at the implication that the “Religious Right” within National somehow represent some sort of conservative threat taking NZ back to the bad old days of the 1950’s-1970’s.

    For the Left it’s perfect; they get to publicly beat up National on this, gaining votes or at least discouraging people from voting for National, while in actual fact of policy that same group within National (and our society) has meekly gone along with and accepted almost everything the Left – including the “Liberal” wing of National – has pushed.

    Tom Hunter

    December 1, 2021 at 10:06 am

  11. I have some of the answers to my questions on what direction National will be trying to take us. Or since they are the Opposition, what they will fight and what they will ignore in this interview on RNZ: Christopher Luxon suggests National Party wants changes to bipartisan housing accord.

    What I’m hearing is support for limited mandates that should have an end date (similar to what Judith Collins was saying), but the interviewer did not want Luxon to continue with this answer and moved on to another question. Was far more interested in his faith and how many houses he owned.

    National, you really need to get into the game on this mandate issue. It’s not going to end, governments will keep pushing and pushing. And the opposition to the mandates continues to build worldwide. Austria is where this is heading for everyone and the sooner you realise this the better prepared you will be to pick up everyone that wants an alternative to the dystopian nightmare we are heading into.

    The “variants” will supply a never-ending supply of reasons to extend lockdowns, vaccine mandates and punitive measures as mutation occurs and what constitutes a new variant arbitrary

    Lucia Maria

    December 1, 2021 at 10:36 am

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