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Why?

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Along with a lot of people I hang out with, I am simply bamboozled by the way most countries around the world, including NZ, are dealing with Covid. I am not a scientist nor do I have any medical background. But I do have degrees in Law and Arts, with majors in philosophy and politics. Law teaches you to think and analyse, as does philosophy. So I look at what’s gone on from those positions, rather than any epidemiological or other stance.

I like to take things back to basics.

We know the vaccine does not prevent a vaccinated person contracting the virus, and nor does it prevent vaccinated people from transmitting it to others, both vaccinated and non-vaccinated. So the purpose of the vaccine is twofold: It stops you getting more sick than you would be if you were not vaccinated, and it reduces the load on the health system. But in terms of public safety, considering the messages are “be safe” and “get vaxxed” the vaccine only protects you from yourself.

If this is the case, and it certainly is, then why does everyone need vax passes, and why are people being discriminated against, and losing their jobs, for not being vaccinated? There are nurses, teachers, police officers and others losing their jobs, and being vilified, for not “taking the jab”. But as much as that is a personal decision, as it should be, they are losing their jobs for no reason: Their lack of vaccination DOES NOT put others at risk, only them. We know that because fully vaccinated people transmit the virus as easily as those who are non-vaccinated, but importantly, the viral load they carry and transmit is just as potent as it would be whether they are vaccinated, or not. In other words, the vaccine DOES NOT weaken the virus potency in a person who contracts the virus, AND DOES NOT protect one person from another as a result.

So, apart from protecting the health system, what’s the purpose of a mass, mandatory/compulsory vaccination program if this is the result? I can’t go to my local pool for a swim without showing my vax pass, and the guy at the door tells me this is because they’re a council facility and need to “protect the public”. I don’t bother explaining he’s not. Further, the original vaccine does not immunise the patient against further strains, namely Delta, Omicron and the new one that has just surfaced in France.

And then we have masks.

Masks are worn to stop droplets from spreading from one person to others. The virus is transmitted when people breathe in airborne particles containing the virus. But here’s my conundrum: If I have Covid, and am wearing a mask, and you don’t have Covid and are not wearing a mask, my mask protects you from me. So you don’t need to wear one. And of course the opposite is the case if you are wearing a mask, and I am not (based on the efficacy of masks being 100%). Sure, droplets can carry over relatively long distances indoors, but even if this is the case, if I have Covid and am not wearing a mask, and you are wearing one, then you are protected. So why do I also have to wear one? If I don’t know I have it, and am happy to take the risk, again why are rules in place forcing me to protect me from myself?

The third lunacy I never understood was the border around Northland.

Us Aucklanders were told that to go on holiday this summer, we had to be vaccinated, and be stopped at roadblocks at the border, to “protect unvaccinated Northlanders”. But unvaccinated Northlanders were given an exemption to leave their region to travel to Auckland, and elsewhere, and return! That was just completely illogical. First, Aucklanders could still transmit the virus to Northlanders, whether they are vaccinated, or not. Second, if Northlanders wanted to be “protected” shouldn’t they have been banned from leaving their region (i.e. locked down)?

So I end this post by asking why? Why are we required to show vax passes? Why are we all required to wear masks? And why did “safe” Aucklanders face restrictions, yet “unsafe” Northlanders were given a free ride?

What comes next out of this worries me deeply – boosters, and for children.

Written by Nick K

January 4, 2022 at 8:57 pm

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  1. Maybe Nick the answer is that the Pandemic™ is a trojan horse to advance agendas that have nothing to do with public health.

    I know, for example, that it takes a decade to develop a vaccine, test it and get it approved as safe for general use.

    And yet within 2 months of the beginning of this supposed Pandemic™ planning for mass vaccinations were underway despite no effective vaccine being available for the foreseeable future, if ever.

    Additionally at no point during the course of this Pandemic™ has there been any advice or discussion coming from Public Health Officials on treatment protocols for those afflicted with severe cases other than ventilators, which as we know are a “Hail Mary” option for those on their deathbed and usually
    do more harm than good

    Furthermore when clinicians who treat COVID patients, as opposed to bureaucrats who don’t, have suggested protocols they have found to be beneficial, they have been rubbished by the same Public Health officials and in some cases punished – there are a number of doctors in New Zealand facing sanctions from the medical council for the positions they have taken on Covid, while therapeutics they have imported have been seized even though they a approved for use in this country for other conditions and known to be safe.

    None of this makes any sense from as public health standpoint – indeed all the steps taken to mitigate the impact of this disease are doing far more harm to public health and wellbeing than the disease itself could ever accomplish

    Andrei

    January 4, 2022 at 10:53 pm

  2. Add that to the British DJ who tested positive after spending 7 days in isolation (with two negative tests) and 3 days in home isolation for a strain that has a incubation period of three days.

    This is why there is no prosecution.

    Either Etheridge caught it in MIQ, in which case he probably has a liability case against the government, or he caught it once he left, and Omicron is endemic in Auckland.

    Neither option is a particularly good look for the government.

    I would just like to add that your analysis of Covid Risk and Covid Passports and masks mirrors my own.

    It’s political theatre from a government which is responding to a medical crisis with spin doctors not medical doctors.

    alloytoo

    January 5, 2022 at 7:52 am

  3. Nick you make a good point about unvaccinated Nurses losing their jobs in hospital but the same does not apply to patients being admitted to hospital or even travelling there by ambulance.

    My brother in law turns 84 in a week or two and has a terminal condition (6 to 18 months life expectancy from October last) and he has been admitted 5 or 6 times in the last few months. Both his GP and Hospital Doctors have advised him not to be vaccinated because of his current health.

    Yet he goes through Emergency and into a ward with presumably vaccinated and unvaccinated other patients none of whom wear masks but is attended to by only vaccinated nurses. As an aside when I visited him last week his wife and I sat in the ward without masks chatting to him for about 40 minutes before Ileft them to give them time together..

    Both mrspdm and I have no problems vising him in hospital or when he is home and last Friday we had him in our car for about an hour when we ran him home to save his 81 year old wife driving about 100ks there and back to pick him up when he was discharged. No we are not slow drivers we had to pick up a blister pack prescription for him on the way and that took some time to put together.

    As you say Nick – the system is all to hell.

    ps mrspdm and I are booked for boosters Monday.

    pdm1946

    January 5, 2022 at 8:00 am

    • I’m not having the boosters. I’ve been reading on mRNA vaccines and I’m not putting this shit in my body, just to “protect myself”.

      Nick K

      January 5, 2022 at 8:36 am

  4. The “why” is fairly simple to answer.

    As long as the virus panic continues (mainly) leftist governments have absolute control and the ability to embed their filth.

    To keep the panic alive minor functionaries, assisted by (again mainly leftist) media, need to keep things that frighten people visible, which is what these restrictions are, and always were, about.

    The ID card that 90% of you signed up for is part of that.

    MT Tinman

    January 5, 2022 at 8:55 am

  5. Heres an answer as to why, that I’ve given to the same questions in conversation recently.
    First, it has little if anything to do with science, logic or coherence.

    Politicians aren’t given to reflective thought, doubt or introspection. They are do-ers, people of action. ( The senior ones at least). They like a crisis because it gives them an opportunity to show that they can make decisions, the harder the better, and look like they can be taken seriously.

    Because very few of them have a background in science or medicine, they rely on advice. Those advising them have two objectives: to remain advising them, and to not be liable for the consequences of having given bad advice . They will present a limited number of options, say three, all of which require action. (No point in providing advice which doesn’t need a decision made). They will look to their colleagues overseas to see what they did, and to the most powerful lobby groups, who are the ones that really set the agenda, to make sure their objectives are met, and that the politicians choose the correct option. The advisers go to great lengths to keep their politicians away from any information that might make them doubt the advice, fall prey to outside influence or have ideas of their own. Politicians like this because it means they don’t have to think very much about the consequences of their actions.

    All this boils down to fear, cowardice and lack of principle and moral fibre. If you then recognise that, bubbling away in the background are broader agendas that have been on a slow burn for decades, and the crisis provides an opportunity to advance those agendas, you have a pretty good picture of how we get to be where we are now. I don’t believe there is evil intent on the part of the politicians, though undoubtedly some individuals are particularly unpleasant, like you meet in all walks of life. Its just that a brave, bright and prinicpled politician is exceptionally rare and such a person is unlikely to reach high office intact.

    Waterbrooks

    January 5, 2022 at 8:56 am

    • I agree completely. Thank you.

      Nick K

      January 5, 2022 at 11:53 am

    • I would add to that comment that both the advisors and the politicians regard it as entirely natural and right that the State acquire ever more control over the individual – in the best interests of the latter of course.

      The Left, for whom such control is almost a religious demand, have hidden this desire behind sixty years of smokescreens around sex and drugs. While constantly pushing for the government to have less influence in your life on those two issues – thereby creating and inheriting a public appearance of tolerance and forebearence across the board on issues – they have steadily ramped up their control in every other part of our lives.

      Tom Hunter

      January 5, 2022 at 12:05 pm

    • And the squishes in National are very happy for this to happen because when in office they have the control over individuals.
      That way they have the control without having gotten their hands dirty. Happy outcome indeed.

      Old curmudgen

      January 5, 2022 at 5:06 pm

  6. The answer to your last question is ‘because they’re brown, lazy and vote Labour.’

    adolffinkensen

    January 5, 2022 at 3:23 pm

    • You can bet your last $ that National and ACT will 100% agree with jabs and boosters for kids. These people are sick.

      Old curmudgen

      January 5, 2022 at 5:16 pm

  7. Nick,

    Do you just ignore all scientific evidence in preference of your political ideology, which is libertarianism, much more than the current Act party?

    You must surely know that unvaccinated people transmit covid (if they get it) at a much higher rate than vaccinated people. They are are also much more likely to require serious medical treatment.

    The idea that you would not have a vaccine mandate among health is frankly ridiculous, for the first reason set out above.

    I tend not to comment on this site much anymore because it has become primarily a place for the “alternative view” on covid. Anyone who has the orthodox view is routinely denigrated as as simply a dupe.

    Wayne

    January 6, 2022 at 7:06 am

    • You lost me at “ALL scientific evidence”.

      Nick K

      January 6, 2022 at 7:54 am

    • Anyone who has the orthodox view is routinely denigrated as as simply a dupe.

      Are you familiar with the parable of the “Emperor’s new clothes” Dr Mapp?

      In that tale “the orthodox view” was the Emperor was arrayed in the finest garments that had ever been seen

      On the other hand the heterodox view the Emperor was in fact naked turned out to be the position that more closely conformed with reality

      The enduring power of that fable lies in its mirroring of the way real life in human societies works, where it is easier to go with the flow no matter how absurd than it is to challenge the status quo

      The power of genuine science, as opposed to politically expedient science lies in the driving force behind it is that it is subject to challenge and nothing is accepted at face value.

      I would suggest to you that if you feel uncomfortable having your world view challenged that might be because deep down within your subconscious you might harbour the suspicion that you might be incorrect in your belief system

      Within the political establishment it is axiomatic (1) that Covid in itself is a significant threat to our society and (2) if only everybody would comply and be vaccinated the problem will go away

      And both propositions are clearly untrue as evidenced in real world data

      Andrei

      January 6, 2022 at 8:47 am

    • I am 55 years old, I look after my health, and I have a 0.028% chance of dying from covid (thats from the UK stats). Given that we have 51 official deaths who died WITH covid, rather than of it, I’ll take my chances sunshine.

      As for the argument that I’m endangering Vaxxed people by been Unvaxxed, one might ask how much confidence you have in that vaccine.

      Uncoffined

      January 6, 2022 at 8:32 pm

  8. A new (like last week) report from the Robert Koch Institute shows that nearly 80% of reported cases of the Omicron variant in Germany occurred in fully vaccinated individuals and that vaccinated people were 21 times more likely to contract Omicron than non-vaccinated.

    What’s your response, Wayne?

    Nick K

    January 6, 2022 at 10:43 am

  9. https://thenationalpulse.com/2022/01/04/frances-macron-stuns-as-he-declares-un-vaxxed-not-citizens/

    I presume you’re OK with this Wayne, and that your views are also those of the National Party writ large?

    Nick K

    January 6, 2022 at 11:16 am

    • There writ large is why I have the suspicion that this has nothing to do with public health

      Putting in place a mechanism which give the Government to grant or deny individuals the right to go about their daily business and activities according to their compliance with Government Diktats is a tyrants wet dream.

      Today it is an endless succession of shots of an experimental vaccine – tomorrow who knows what our masters will demand of us in the name of the Public Good?

      And in the name of “Public Health” large numbers of the population have been conditioned to accept this

      But it is the ultimate in fascism

      Andrei

      January 6, 2022 at 11:52 am

  10. ‘But it is the ultimate in fascism.’

    Andrei, I’m afraid you’re wrong. It is the penultimate. The ultimate is gas chambers for the unvaccinated.

    adolffinkensen

    January 6, 2022 at 12:37 pm

  11. The gas chambers were very real just half a century ago…give or take…history again repeats and anything is possible. Two years ago, we didn’t need a vax passport to sup beer in a pub…nor was it a requirement for your job,…

    Tammy

    Tammy

    January 6, 2022 at 10:23 pm

  12. “The gas chambers” ……..
    In the movie “The Book Thief” the adoptive father is out of work because he refuses to join the National Socialist Party of Deutchland. Yes, we are in a repeat with a difference: eighty years ago there were alternative states or nations to escape to.
    This time the madness is one-world-wide. Another Book comments that the end of an age will come “suddenly” ; but also that a few who are wise will be able to notice the signs and make their peaceful preparations. Talking is useful, while pre-paying our home Rates and running a credit at the local food store could be also useful. The Northern hemisphere is having some cold weather, it might be our turn for chill weather in five months.
    the walnutter Down Under

    the walnutter Down Under

    January 7, 2022 at 6:59 am

  13. Eighty odd years ago, thanks, not fifty. Too much sherry at the time, lol.

    Tammy.

    Tammy

    January 7, 2022 at 11:13 am


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