No Minister

2 MARCH 2022

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Three things happened today. I was my birthday; the Police finally acted to clear the rabble illegally occupying Parliament’s grounds, disregarding the Trespass Orders issued against them and preventing Wellingtonians from going about their lawful business while the Russians stepped up their invasion of the Ukraine seemingly determined to turn their cities into wasteland.

My birthday was the least important of three events. I have, in cricketing parlance, reached 77 not out having successfully fended off any number of ‘Googlies’ and ‘Wrong Uns’ over the years. No significant health issues and I’m fully mobile. Can’t ask for much more. In short, life is good.

It was always a matter of when rather than if that the Police were going to act to end the occupation of Parliament’s grounds by the protesters. They made their point and they should have moved on. There was no way the government was going to cave into their demands especially given that fringe elements had infiltrated the protest threatening violence against the Prime Minister. That way in not our way. You dislike what the government is doing and you vote accordingly at the ballot box. Can I say something else. Ardern is not a communist and its pretty stupid to argue that she is. In the continuum of recent Labour Party leaders I would see her as governing in the Norman Kirk/David Lange tradition … full of well meaning but half baked ideas but totally bereft of any understanding of how the economy actually works … and that will be her downfall along with her embrace of of separatist agenda laid out in He Puapua.

But of the three issues, Putin declaring war on the Ukraine is by far the most serious. Russia will conquor through shear military might inheriting a devastated country and a populace who will refuse to be subjugated. On the world scene it will ‘enjoy’ pariah state status for many years to come. It’s own economy will suffer substantially. NATO will emerge strengthened and hitherto neutral nations (eg Finland) may well look at joining NATO as a guard against further Russian aggression The dynamic of the relationship between Russia and China may also change with those two nations forging closer ties in response to Russia’s isolation and that, in itself, will raise tensions in our part of the world. Putin unleashed the dogs of war and they ain’t going back in their kennels anytime soon.

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  1. You couldn’t be more wrong on Wellington Vet. Sadly you have believed the bald faced lies of the police, politicians and their poodles in the msm. I was there weekend before last and my mate was there last weekend. NONE of what the media were saying was true.

    Here’s what my mate wrote Sunday morning:
    “At the beehive freedom village yesterday S and I had what I would consider one of the most beautiful days of our lives. We danced, we laughed, we sang and we cried. The energy of peace and love has no words to describe. This place is an island in a sea of turmoil for what the world should be like. The extent the media and govt are lying to us is beyond the comprehension of us. This is a place of peace and love and a model for what the world could be if not for the power and corruption that overwhelms us in everyday living. We even went to a wedding. I now have some hope for the future of the world. Going back this morning for more hugs from all these beautiful souls.”

    New Zealanders were rioting in the streets only 30 years ago against apartheid. Arden & her fellow travellers would have you believe they were all for that. But look at their reaction to peaceful protesters against apartheid today.

    Arden and the police are hypocrites beyond belief. Look forward to seeing this approach taken at Shelley Bay and all future protests. Yeah right.

    Paranormal

    March 2, 2022 at 10:03 pm

    • Yip. The problem is not the protesters, nor the protest, rather it is the State. And the State includes National, Act and Green MPs, all of whom are elitist scum.

      Nick K

      March 3, 2022 at 6:10 am

  2. How remiss of me – many happy returns. Hope you enjoyed a wonderful day with friends and family.

    Paranormal

    March 2, 2022 at 10:05 pm

  3. Naturally your fellow National man, DPF has the same take with Despicable scenes at Parliament.

    Three comments from that post.

    Rodney Hide
    Hi David

    The protest I attended was clearly different to the one you must have been to.

    Like you, i hope anyone assaulting an officer is charged. It’s not like they are not on camera.

    I also want the police who clearly assaulted protesters charged.

    I would also be interested in someone who knows more than me about the crimes act whether it is legal for police to assault people with shields and pepper spray simply to move them.

    I note the police were assaulting people who weren’t charged with tresspass and weren’t resisting arrest. I don’t think until the police attacked that the protest was a riot.

    I don’t support what the police did at all.

    I also don’t condone violence from the protesters. Arrest them. We have them on camera.

    Then from somebody who watched FB livestreaming rather than broadcast news:

    The live streams showed some awful behaviours by the police and certainly later in the day, by trouble makers. Chantelle Bakers live stream captured the principles of the true freedom fighters well. She even filmed the trouble makers so to get footage for the police…. putting herself, partner Jacob and their friends in harms way when the yobbos turned on them. All in all, quite a shocking day.

    And finally this.

    Suffice to say, the protestors did not all wake up this morning and start torching their own stuff, and maybe the revered owner of this blog could put two seconds of thought into it before essentially claiming that people who have been there for weeks now chilling out turned around today, put on an average of fifty kilos each, started grunting like neanderthals, put on masks, and burned all their things.

    The violent people today were very, very clear, and you can go look for yourself. Maybe spend a few hours doing some real research instead of reposting Cindy’s talking points in a huffy, holier-than-thou way.

    Amazing how so many “Right-wing” people have become Jacinda Shills. Also I wonder how DPF would have written up the Rugby Park invasion in 1981, let alone the Eden Park 3rd test battle. Having been at both events I don’t recall the words “despicable” being used about those protestors.

    Tom Hunter

    March 2, 2022 at 10:09 pm

    • No better evidence that elitist MPs tucked up in their ivory towers are completely detached from reality and those on struggle street, particularly those who have suffered enormously as a result of the authoritarian Covid policies, all of whom don’t have the comfort of a taxpayer-funded salary to fall back on while the businesses they have built up over 20 years go under. I genuinely believed National MPs and the party’s supporters understood this, and we’re on the side of these citizens and taxpayers, but clearly I’m wrong. I have contempt for all MPs, and contempt for the police that do their dirty work, pepper spraying children and punching old men to the ground. The Vet clearly approves this, as does Mark Mitchell considering his speech to parliament today. The prime minister earns $9,035.00 per week, each week, and essentially spits on the plebs beneath her, and here’s the National Party just saying not only should she spit but they would also piss on them. A despicable day, as Farrar described it, but not for the reasons he, and Vet, thinks.

      Nick K

      March 3, 2022 at 6:45 am

      • Nick K … so I guess you will be resigning from ACT in protest as National and ACT are singing from the same song-sheet. Your attack on the Police for doing their job in upholding the rule of law is a tad surprising. Remind me, just how many Police are in hospital. I repeat again …. you can argue the legitimacy of mandates and I can agree that some of them are unjustified (and illegal). But Ardern was never going to back down and she calls the shots. That’s the way it works in a Westminister style democracy. And all this against the background of Omicron gone viral …nothing to worry about and move on and so say some of you … yeh right.

        The Veteran

        March 3, 2022 at 11:26 am

      • Your attack on the Police for doing their job in upholding the rule of law is a tad surprising.

        I can’t speak for Nick but I suspect that what’s driving his disgust with the Police is the same as my sense of disgust, in that they treated this protest differently to those of Shelley Bay (which protest is ongoing with regular acts of vandalism) and Ihumātao – and that their response perfectly matched that of Ardern’s government in each case.

        It suggests to me that the Police have become politicised, just as they have in parts of the the USA and Canada, where protests and even riots approved of by the Left (Burn Loot Murder) get treated more gently, or even left to run their track, than protests not approved of by them.

        I assume that the unvaccinated Police Officers who attended the early and middle-days of the protest due to their having been fired for refusing “the jab”, had departed before yesterday’s events, otherwise it would be interesting to hear their takes on the day.

        I realise that it is in your tribal National nature to denigrate anybody opposed to National as “alt right” or some such, but both you and Mapp, for all the glorying in how you sit with the majority, should be aware that many of the commentator names that sit here and on places like Kiwiblog getting stuck into National and ACT over all the mandates and other C-19 matters, had been quite vocal supporters of John Key and National, and ACT, over the years.

        Obviously you’re confident you can lose such “extremists” like them (and me), but given their recent, past, long-term support for National that might be a political mistake, in that there may be more like them who will keep silent until they enter the polling booth.

        Tom Hunter

        March 3, 2022 at 12:09 pm

      • Regarding the second paragraph, it seems Costner was given an ultimatum -clear out the protesters or lose his job.

        Uncoffined

        March 3, 2022 at 3:22 pm

      • Tom, did you see the interview yesterday with an ex police senior sergeant who was mandated out of his job and present at the protest. He said he was present during the springbok riots. During the interview he was in tears talking about the brutality he had seen from police yesterday morning.

        Again it’s gone from the public record as it doesn’t fit the narrative.

        Paranormal

        March 3, 2022 at 1:03 pm

      • Vet, yes I have resigned my Act membership. You see, I have principles.

        Nick K

        March 3, 2022 at 2:25 pm

      • Good on you Nick, I applaud, I’m only still a member for intelligence gathering purposes.

        Uncoffined

        March 3, 2022 at 3:24 pm

      • Vet, I was a cop for six years, I know what it’s like to attend out of control “riots” or assemblies and to “move on” the participants. I recognise a “goodie” from a “baddie”. I also know police overreach because I narked on a cop who broke a young guy’s arm unnecessarily despite pressure from peers to not say anything. In summary, I’ve been there, done that. I know what I saw yesterday was a disgrace to the uniform I once wore. I know who was in the wrong, and it wasn’t the ordinary people who have suffered, and are still suffering, under the policies you support.

        Nick K

        March 3, 2022 at 8:02 pm

      • Vet, I was a cop for six years, ….

        That whole quote needs to be placed as goddamned post in itself.

        Tom Hunter

        March 3, 2022 at 8:50 pm

    • National and ACT should hang their heads in shame for supporting the evil that the evil government have imposed on our country over the last 2 years.
      The police have proven they are just another gang of thugs, no better than the Mongrel Mob or Black Power.
      Shame on them for their disgusting thuggery.
      The ruling elite and their fellow travelers are beneath contempt.
      Anyway Vet happy birthday now press on towards the “ton”

      Old Curmudgeon

      March 3, 2022 at 7:28 am

  4. Oh yes, and congrats on making it to 77, especially with your experiences.

    Tom Hunter

    March 2, 2022 at 10:14 pm

  5. Happy Birthday and Many Years, my friend

    Andrei

    March 2, 2022 at 11:47 pm

  6. Can you explain to me why it is the epitome of evil for Russia to sort out problems in a nation right on its border but ok for the USA to militarily intervene in

    Lebanon
    Somalia
    Yemen
    Panama
    El Salvador
    Haiti
    Iraq
    Pakistan
    Syria
    Libya
    Croatia
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Montenegro
    Kosovo
    Sudan

    This just being a partial list of sovereign nations that have been on the receiving end of military interventions and/or US bombs since 1980

    You have a blind spot when it comes to the double standards at play here

    Andrei

    March 2, 2022 at 11:58 pm

    • Stop digging Andrei,nothing can justify the destruction and murder of a whole country by Putin.

      Old Curmudgeon

      March 3, 2022 at 7:31 am

      • OC, nothing can justify your hypocrisy in ignoring American attacks on numerous countries while parroting mainstream media demonization of Putin.

        Harry

        March 3, 2022 at 8:24 am

      • I don’t ignore or try and justify that sort of behavior from anyone. It’s reprehensible no matter who does it.
        How can you justify you’re idol Putin indiscriminately bombing civilian targets and killing women and children.
        Before you start throwing the label of hypocrisy around first go and have a good look in the mirror.

        Old Curmudgeon

        March 3, 2022 at 9:08 am

  7. Belated Birthday wishes Vet.

    Perhaps Benedict Yu sums up how the Protest could have been resolved best at Kiwblog GD this morning with this.

    `All Jacinda had to do last week is this. Go out and address the protestors. Say….

    “I understand why you are angry. Things have changed since we introduced vaccine passes and mandates. The vaccinated and unvaccinated will be infected with Omicron. As a result of your protest, we have decided that the vaccine passes and mandates will be abolished from 1 April. The Government will also be taking steps to encourage employers to 0reinstate those workers who have lost their jobs. Now could you please go home. ”’

    Would it have worked?

    I don’t know but surely an astute politician and statesman (statesperson) would have tried.

    pdm1946

    March 3, 2022 at 8:17 am

    • Well the PM is certainly not astute or a statesperson, is she?

      Chris

      March 3, 2022 at 9:52 am

  8. Happy Birthday Vet for yesterday.

    I trust you had a good day with family and friends.

    Cheers

    Rossco

    rossco

    March 3, 2022 at 9:01 am

  9. Happy birthday, still in receipt of the Queens silver!

    I agree with the entirety of your Post, excepting perhaps the comment on China.

    It was very obvious the protest had largely come under the control of an anarchist fringe. Coster has actually come out of this very well (and I never thought I would say that). He waited until the the character of the protest had changed, both in terms of its composition and its size, before he acted.

    I consider that I have a pretty good sense of where the New Zealand is at. In my view the great majority of New Zealanders’ will applaud the actions of the police, noting they acted with considerable restraint.

    As for Putin and China, I am not convinced that China will throw their lot entirely with Putin. I suspect they will judge him as a bit reckless, and keep their distance, at least to some extent. China is much more deeply integrated into the global economy and will not want to stir up the level of antagonism that Russia has. They are playing a longer and more nuanced game.

    Wayne

    March 3, 2022 at 9:16 am

    • Wayne, how do you know the nature of the protest had changed? Or are you just happy repeating the lies that come from PNHQ and the beehive?

      Anyone who had been there could see the protesters were under a barrage of misinformation from the beehive from day one. The barrage had only one purpose and that was to allow the thuggish behaviour we saw from the governments gang yesterday.

      Still I guess you are running true to form.

      Paranormal

      March 3, 2022 at 10:25 am

      • Fair question about why I say the composition of the protest had changed. Obviously not everyone was in this category, but there was enough to change the basic complexion of the protest.

        Unlike some here, I do not fundamentally distrust the media. I know enough gallery journalists to trust what they say.

        I also have seen enough photos and video to see the number of anarchists (anti-authority types) and Maori sovereignists well experienced in protest, to see that they were driving things. Middle New Zealand does not attack the police by ripping up the road and throwing pavers, as typically occurs in France. And look at the police response in France, when that happens.

        I also subscribe to Politik, run by Richard Harman, who is possibly New Zealand’s most experience journalist. He has had his team visit the protest daily and they also made the assessment that it had changed. As did David Farrar, who also had people regularly visit the protest. I am sure you would agree that neither Richard or David are paid for government dupes.

        Yes, the police had to use some force. That was inevitable given who was effectively controlling the protest. I would note there was a particular incident with a police officer punching a demonstrator in the course of the restraint that looked unnecessary, though the video did not show what she has done to cause the arrest.

        An occupation of this nature had become an illegal protest. There is no right to occupy the forecourt of parliament for several weeks, denying anyone else the use of the space, and seriously limiting the rights of neighbours and workers. I am confident that when the arrested protestors come before the court, they will be convicted.

        Wayne

        March 3, 2022 at 1:17 pm

      • Your information sources are inferior to mine.

        The only ‘journalist’ I saw close up, spent quite some time trying to get the lady I was working with, to say what he wanted to hear. After a while he gave up and tried it again with someone else. I saw him leave several hours later in a very non-talkative mood. Most of them never engaged the media, because they aren’t trusted.

        I had been to the protest site and I met a lot of those people firsthand. I saw Winston Peters and Matt King visit, while I was there.

        Remember that this whole thing could have been prevented if someone had gone to talk to them.

        It was known that the Police were going to crush the protest with undue force (Matt King told us that in a speech).
        In the end, the protest had to go at all costs, because of optic’s more than anything else.

        The thugs you refer to came in at the last moment to cause trouble, which you conveniently blame on the protesters, because it suits your narrative.
        If you actually have photo’s and video evidence of these thugs, please present them to the Police.
        The thugs are easily identifyed by the way -they wear masks or bandana’s to hide thier identity, and wearing a Putin T-shirt is a bit of a giveaway.

        No-one wore a mask or any face covering, when I was there

        A more representative video is as below.

        https://rumble.com/vw8h70-destruction-of-the-freedom-village-on-the-parliament-grounds.-wellington-nz

        p.s. This is in reply to Wayne, but not really, I just want to set the record straight

        Uncoffined

        March 3, 2022 at 6:06 pm

      • Most of them never engaged the media, because they aren’t trusted

        It’s taken years but I’m glad to see that it’s spreading. I had to laugh a couple of weeks ago when long time Kiwiblog commentator “RRM” – who supported the Clark government against a multitude of attacks in the early days of Kb but has since gone full National – expressed his shock at the difference between the MSM reporting of the protest and what he saw there with his own eyes.

        And to think that Luxon and Seymour think they can reach the people via these assholes. All that will happen is that they and other National/ACT politicians will continue to think that the MSM reflects the public view and bend their policies accordingly.

        BTW, in relation to what I said earlier, RRM is yet another example of someone who has been turned off by National/ACT on this whole pandemic issue. I suspect that he is now politically homeless.

        Tom Hunter

        March 3, 2022 at 6:12 pm

      • Uncoffined,

        Neither Richard or David’s people are accredited journalists, but they are experienced observers. So yes, I trust how they characterised the protest as it had evolved in recent days. Their analysis also squares with what the Commissioner says. No matter what you think of the Commissioner, it is beyond doubt that he would have had a huge amount of information about the protest and how it was evolving. And it is also clear he has an impressive ability to sift and analyse information from a variety of sources.
        Unless you were more or less continuously at the protest site, then I am pretty sure the Commissioner would have more information about the protest than you do.

        Wayne

        March 3, 2022 at 9:36 pm

      • Costner’s job was on the line as I’ve already mentioned, you also might like to check that video link I displayed last time

        Uncoffined

        March 3, 2022 at 9:50 pm

      • I am pretty sure the Commissioner would have more information about the protest than you do.

        When John McCain was alive we could have dropped you and him into a room together and you’d have had the most fun debate ever in your life.

        Tom Hunter

        March 3, 2022 at 9:48 pm

    • Wayne – did you miss the police injuring a 74 year old man, spraying themselves with pepper spray and blaming it on the protesters, stopping the portaloos from being emptied, dragging a woman by her hair, kneeling on the head of a teenager, kicking over a generator and starting a fire, trashing people’s personal belongings, illegally removing a shower block – to mention some of the actions you are applauding.

      Harry

      March 3, 2022 at 1:11 pm

  10. Happy returns youngfellow as many as possible in fact, you have reached the odometer read where I began to notice loose wheel nuts now things are indicating an acceleration of problems rapidly reaching wheel falling off levels.

    Gravedodger

    March 3, 2022 at 10:16 am

  11. Happy Birthday Vet.

    Uncoffined

    March 3, 2022 at 3:25 pm

  12. Yet, this is what NZ looks like to overseas commenters.

    Lucia Maria

    March 3, 2022 at 4:30 pm

  13. […]  Ardern is not a communist and its pretty stupid to argue that she is. In the continuum of recent Labour Party leaders I would see her as governing in the Norman Kirk/David Lange tradition … full of well meaning but half baked ideas but totally bereft of any understanding of how the economy actually works … and that will be her downfall along with her embrace of of separatist agenda laid out in He Puapua. – The Veteran […]


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