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A TALE OF TWO THUGS – VLAD AND ADOLF

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So Vlad has annexed a large part of the Ukraine on the back of a decidedly shonky referendum condemned by the world as neither free nor fair with the yes vote reaching 99.2% in the Donetsk People Republic rivaling that of North Korean elections … spare a thought for those 0.08% brave souls voting no and now facing a decidedly precarious future.

Students of history will note the striking similarity to the plebiscite ordered by Hitler as part of Anschluss (the annexation of Austria in 1938) which saw 99.7% of Austrians voting in favour of union with Nazi Gremany. Like in the Ukraine the vote in Austria was neither free nor fair. Take for example the little municipality of Innervillgraten (population 829 in in 1939). In Chancellor Schuschnigg’s cancelled plebiscite on whether in seek union with German vs maintaining Austria’s independence 95% of voters chose the latter option. Just one month later the vote was 73.3% in favour of Anschluss … a mind boggling turnaround.

Putin will now claim that any attempt by the Ukrainian military to continue their advance into the disputed territory will constitute an attack on the ‘родина’ (motherland) and that he is justified is using all means at his disposal (including nukes) to defend Russian territory. Dangerous times indeed.

Hitler and Putin are birds of a feather … same sort of DNA … ultra nationalist vs Nazi. Spot the difference if you can.

And all against the backdrop of when Kiwi troops were fighting the German in the battles for Greece and Crete Putins predecessor was delivering strategic war materials to Nazi German in accordance with the provisions of the German-Soviet Nonaggression Pact.

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Written by The Veteran

October 1, 2022 at 3:01 pm

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  1. I personally don’t think the last American elections were “free and fair” and they were decidedly “shonky”

    And look what they delivered, a notably corrupt President exhibiting signs of dementia who has led the world to the precipice of nuclear war

    Andrei

    October 1, 2022 at 4:06 pm

    • Andrei … pathetic attempt to deflect made more pathetic that you are buying into Trump’s narrative. I repeat … your poster boy and Hitler have supped from the same cup and your allaying yourself with a thug sez more about you than me … but I accept that for you Putin = God and nothing is going to change your mind.

      BTW … do you really in your heart of hearts think the 99.2% figure is believable?

      The Veteran

      October 1, 2022 at 4:21 pm

      • You’re wasting your fingers Vet Putin’s bum boy will always bend over when commanded.
        I agree with Andrei that some decidedly dodgy things went on in 2020.
        However the fact is it will be corrected in 2022/2024. Hopefully republicans have woken up to the democrats dirty tricks.
        Russia on the other hand will never be free of tyrants.

        Old Curmudgeon

        October 1, 2022 at 4:34 pm

      • …but I accept that for you Putin = God…

        Don’t be ridiculous Veteran, that would be blasphemy, he is a human being, subject to human frailties

        However despite your epithet of “Thug” he has nothing on his resume that compares to the atrocities committed in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Sudan and so forth, the of places where the USA and NATO have “intervened” just goes on and on and on…

        And while he gets under your Anglo Saxon skin, he is held in high esteem outside the Anglo world

        Let me ask you some a serious questions: Why do you even care if Donetsk is a city in the Russian Federation or a city Ukraine?

        What’s it to you?

        Where was your outrage when Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama dismembered Sudan? Are you even aware that they did that?

        Andrei

        October 1, 2022 at 4:53 pm

      • “However despite your epithet of “Thug” he has nothing on his resume that compares to the atrocities committed in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Sudan and so forth, the of places where the USA and NATO have “intervened” just goes on and on and on…”

        I would venture a lot of dead people in Syria may beg to differ.

        Old Curmudgeon

        October 1, 2022 at 7:33 pm

  2. OC great line ” Russia on the other hand will never be free of tyrants.”

    And it will never be free of the “intelligentsia” like Andre who see tyrants in Russia as a necessary means to achieving empire, or control, or stability, or whatever is the excuse.

    The funny thing about Andre, which he appears blind, is the total one sided nature of his comments. A rational person would bring balance to their arguments about Russia.

    Andre can or wont.

    The downfall and collapse of Russia will hit him hard, unless he can find another rising Russian tyrant to attach his wagon to.

    rossco

    October 1, 2022 at 5:00 pm

    • I made this point about Andrei a few years ago on Kiwiblog when I saw where this was going. For all the semi-racist shit about “Anglos” vs “Slavs” there seems to be something buried deep in the Russian soul that actually worships Tzars like Ivan The Terrible, Stalin or Putin.

      Tom Hunter

      October 1, 2022 at 5:04 pm

    • FYI – Stalin was a Georgian

      And you omit Peter the Great, Catherine the Great and Alexander I (for whom Queen Victoria was named 🙂 ) in your list

      FYI (2) Ivan IV or Ivan Grozny, is “Ivan the Terrible” in English reveals a translation problem. Grozny is hard to translate into modern English, you could also try “Awesome” because Grozny also carries that connotation. He was pretty scary that’s for sure, not quite a contemporary of Henry VIII who was a psychotic monster and who created the Tsardom of Russia.

      But it is true, the leadership I look up to are people who have got my back, not people who think they know what’s best for me whether I like it or not and sell my interests out to the Globalist elites

      Andrei

      October 1, 2022 at 6:11 pm

      • Stalin was a Georgian

        Of course. And thanks to two decades of Putin propaganda he’s quite the hero in Russia now.

        Tom Hunter

        October 1, 2022 at 7:33 pm

      • Ivan the Nasty sounds better?

        FYI – Catherine was German

        FYI 2 – Alexander I was…hm, certainly half German, as to the other half…who knows?

        Taieri

        October 1, 2022 at 9:40 pm

  3. Where do you get your “news” from”? If it is the MSM ask yourself can you believe it?

    SMA

    October 1, 2022 at 6:07 pm

  4. Andrei dear Andrei … I’ll give you 10/10 for consistency and your ability to stand by your man thru thick and thin, right and wrong. Begs the question though … when are you going to stop talking the talk and start walking the walk … joining those unfortunates, some decidedly ancients, press-ganged into service per courtesy of Putin’s mobilisation order and no doubt regretting they didn’t have the wherewithal to flee Russia like so many of your best and brightest who have seen thru the Kremlin’s lies … hint … seen the exit convoys stretching for miles. Mind you and to be fair they join a long list of Americans who chose to opt out of the Vietnam draft … like Cadet Bone Spurs Trump who manged five deferments and wee willie Clinton who fled the US for the rarefied atmosphere of University College Oxford and Joe Biden who also received five deferments before being classified 1-Y which meant he could only be called up in times of national emergency. At least Muhammad Ali was up front in refusing to fight and wore his punishment. Trump/Clinton/Biden … not so much.

    But I digress. This all about Putin’s illegal annexing of another countries sovereign territory. I note that in the Security Council Russia was forced to use its veto to stymie a resolution condemning its actions. It was instructive that China chose to abstain.

    The Veteran

    October 1, 2022 at 6:14 pm

    • Did you watch VVPs speech Vet?

      I did – take this from the official translation

      >I would like to remind you that in the past, ambitions of world domination have repeatedly shattered against the courage and resilience of our people. Russia will always be Russia. We will continue to defend our values and our Motherland.

      The West is counting on impunity, on being able to get away with anything. As a matter of fact, this was actually the case until recently. Strategic security agreements have been trashed; agreements reached at the highest political level have been declared tall tales; firm promises not to expand NATO to the east gave way to dirty deception as soon as our former leaders bought into them; missile defence, intermediate-range and shorter-range missile treaties have been unilaterally dismantled under far-fetched pretexts.

      And all we hear is, the West is insisting on a rules-based order. Where did that come from anyway? Who has ever seen these rules? Who agreed or approved them? Listen, this is just a lot of nonsense, utter deceit, double standards, or even triple standards! They must think we’re stupid.

      Russia is a great thousand-year-old power, a whole civilisation, and it is not going to live by such makeshift, false rules.

      It was the so-called West that trampled on the principle of the inviolability of borders, and now it is deciding, at its own discretion, who has the right to self-determination and who does not, who is unworthy of it. It is unclear what their decisions are based on or who gave them the right to decide in the first place. They just assumed it.

      That is why the choice of the people in Crimea, Sevastopol, Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye and Kherson makes them so furiously angry. The West does not have any moral right to weigh in, or even utter a word about freedom of democracy. It does not and it never did.

      Western elites not only deny national sovereignty and international law. Their hegemony has pronounced features of totalitarianism, despotism and apartheid. They brazenly divide the world into their vassals – the so-called civilised countries – and all the rest, who, according to the designs of today’s Western racists, should be added to the list of barbarians and savages. False labels like “rogue country” or “authoritarian regime” are already available, and are used to stigmatise entire nations and states, which is nothing new. There is nothing new in this: deep down, the Western elites have remained the same colonisers. They discriminate and divide peoples into the top tier and the rest.

      I’ suggest to you that Putin’s speech will make the leaders of the West livid – he has called them out on their Hypocrisy, avarice and degeneracy

      He has said out loud what the vast majority of the world’s population actually think and are not allowed to say.

      And the consequence is at best is a new cold war.

      Here is the most dangerous line to the Western elites in a time of economic collapse and rampant inflation due to money printing

      But people cannot be fed with printed dollars and euros. You can’t feed them with those pieces of paper, and the virtual, inflated capitalisation of western social media companies can’t heat their homes. Everything I am saying is important. And what I just said is no less so: you can’t feed anyone with paper – you need food; and you can’t heat anyone’s home with these inflated capitalisations – you need energy.

      That is why politicians in Europe have to convince their fellow citizens to eat less, take a shower less often and dress warmer at home. And those who start asking fair questions like “Why is that, in fact?” are immediately declared enemies, extremists and radicals. They point back at Russia and say: that is the source of all your troubles. More lies.

      I want to make special note of the fact that there is every reason to believe that the Western elites are not going to look for constructive ways out of the global food and energy crisis that they and they alone are to blame for, as a result of their long-term policy, dating back long before our special military operation in Ukraine, in Donbass. They have no intention of solving the problems of injustice and inequality. I am afraid they would rather use other formulas they are more comfortable with.

      And here it is important to recall that the West bailed itself out of its early 20th century challenges with World War I. Profits from World War II helped the United States finally overcome the Great Depression and become the largest economy in the world, and to impose on the planet the power of the dollar as a global reserve currency. And the 1980s crisis – things came to a head in the 1980s again – the West emerged from it unscathed largely by appropriating the inheritance and resources of the collapsed and defunct Soviet Union. That’s a fact.

      Now, in order to free itself from the latest web of challenges, they need to dismantle Russia as well as other states that choose a sovereign path of development, at all costs, to be able to further plunder other nations’ wealth and use it to patch their own holes. If this does not happen, I cannot rule out that they will try to trigger a collapse of the entire system, and blame everything on that, or, God forbid, decide to use the old formula of economic growth through war.

      Russia is aware of its responsibility to the international community and will make every effort to ensure that cooler heads prevail.

      The current neocolonial model is ultimately doomed; this much is obvious. But I repeat that its real masters will cling to it to the end. They simply have nothing to offer the world except to maintain the same system of plundering and racketeering.

      They do not give a damn about the natural right of billions of people, the majority of humanity, to freedom and justice, the right to determine their own future. They have already moved on to the radical denial of moral, religious, and family values.

      Andrei

      October 1, 2022 at 7:05 pm

      • And just to show you how truly repulsive the West is here is Joe Biden actually boasting how he got the State prosecutor of Ukraine fired who was actually investigating corruption in Burisma with who Biden’s worthless heap of shit son had a lucrative “no show” job.

        Is that what you want to stand for Vet – you willing to sacrifice yo0ur kids and grandkids for this heap of crap?

        Andrei

        October 1, 2022 at 7:25 pm

      • Ho hum, yawn.

        Old Curmudgeon

        October 1, 2022 at 7:30 pm

      • Heh. So much bullshit. But in order to deal with it via direct comment I’ll offer you to put this up as a guest comment so the rest of us can get stuck into it. But just to start with…

        things came to a head in the 1980s again – the West emerged from it unscathed largely by appropriating the inheritance and resources of the collapsed and defunct Soviet Union. That’s a fact.

        I’m reminded of just one of the stories out of the USSR where a factory making chandeliers got caught in the “productivity” trap of producing on the basis of weight, because that’s a great way of measuring productivity. Naturally the chandeliers grew so heavy that they’d fall out of the ceiling.

        Put another way, there wasn’t that much other than “natural resources” that was worth grabbing in the former USSR – and (big joke) – the people who grabbed it were the first round of ex-KGB/Gosplan types who knew where the real value lay. The people whose first generation your hero at first eliminated and then the second generation co-opted.

        Tom Hunter

        October 1, 2022 at 8:06 pm

      • Oh and of course I’ve already referred to that particular video in posts I’ve done about the Biden’s.

        But – as I’ve said before – one key difference is that the Biden’s will, at least in two years, be gone, whereas VPP and his rellies will be sucking on the corruption tit for some time yet – and with murder added.

        Come on Andrei. Be a Christian. Tell us that on a Christian standard, Russia is great but Vlad sucks. It’s not like Christians in the West hold any similar, worshipful attitude towards ole’ Biden Mass-on-Sunday-Abortion-on-Monday Biden.

        Tom Hunter

        October 1, 2022 at 8:19 pm

  5. Andrei … looking forward to your response to the questions I posed to you … (1) when are you going to start walking the walk and catch a plane to Moskva to join the fight to preserve the родина and (2) do you really believe 99.2% of voters in the self styled Peoples Republic of Donetsk opted for annexation into Russia.

    Put that in a NZL perspective. Round up 1,000 people of the street and ask them if you think Labour was the best thing since sliced bread and you think that 992 of them would say yes?

    Sad about your mob having to retreat in disarray from Lyman an important logistic/communications hub for them in the Donbas region. Still, you can take comfort from Putin’s repeated assurances that their ‘special military operation’ is going exactly to plan although I’m just a tad worried that the fall of Lyman prompted Ramzan Kadyrov, head of Russia’s Chechnya region, to plead with Putin to use tactical nuclear weapons to defeat the Ukrainian military. But of course your nice Mr Putin would never do that ,,. cough.

    The Veteran

    October 2, 2022 at 3:14 pm

    • Obviously Veteran I am in the twilight of my life, for which given the state of this sorry world I am grateful.

      So let me respond why don’t you go to Ukraine and kill yourself some evil subhuman Rooskis?

      You really wonder why the people of Donbass voted overwhelmingly to join Russia?

      Do you not conceive it might have something to do with their culture and heritage being under attack and eight years of being bombarded by artillery and that putting themselves under the protection of Mother Russia might bring their an end to their torments?

      The Americans are a good people but their Government is as evil as the Nazis, maybe even more evil.

      But you don’t care about Ukraine or Ukrainians it all about your sense of Anglo Saxon superiority and you haven’t the whit to see that the West is retracing in the footsteps of Adolf Hitler

      Did you go to Church today?

      This might be a good time to think about getting your soul in good order with the Lord

      Andrei

      October 2, 2022 at 3:45 pm

  6. Lyman an important logistic/communications hub for them in the Donbas region

    Krasnyi Lyman was a small town in 2014 of little importance before the Neocon coup.

    It was renamed (as were many Ukrainian towns and cities) to Lyman after the 2014 coup

    It was being held by a force of about 500 DNR militia before falling to the Ukrainian NATO army.

    The Ukrainian Government was instructed by their Neocon masters to throw everything but the kitchen sink at it to provide propaganda talking points for CNN and the BBC.

    Its amazing watching history being rewritten before your very eyes but then again we live in an Orwellian dystopian society

    Andrei

    October 2, 2022 at 4:00 pm

    • 500 DNR militia???? Since when would 500 DNR militia be commanded by a Russian Colonel-General – Generál-Polkóvnik (Alexander Lapin). A Colonel-General is the third highest rank in the Russian Military and a 3 Star equivalent.

      The Veteran

      October 2, 2022 at 4:54 pm

  7. Andrei … Ok, I’ll let you off (1) and you will be pleased to know I put ordinary Russian people in the same basket as you do with Americans. However you see the American government as evil as the Nazis … clearly I disagree although I worry that Trump and Biden were elected POTUS … not because they’re evil … it’s just that they were/are clearly both unfit for office. I do however see Putin’s mob and the Nazi’s as birds of a feather in word and deed.

    I see you prefer to describe the referendum result as ‘overwhelming’ … I guess that’s better than trying to defend 99.2% as attainable.

    I am not Anglo-Saxon. I’m a New Zealander. I am not superior per se but I do possess the ability to discern right from wrong. In retrospect NZL involvement in the Malayan emergency was right as was our involvement in Konfrontasi. Vietnam and Afghanistan … not so sure … while the Russian invasion of the Ukraine may well turn out the same way … humiliation for Putin and the emergence of a new Russia.

    No, I did not go to Church today but that’s not to say I don’t believe in a superior being. I see faith grounded in a certain moral code as important but its equally important to respect everyone regardless of their faith (or not) until, by their words and deeds, they forfeit that respect.

    The Veteran

    October 2, 2022 at 4:34 pm

    • I am not superior per se but I do possess the ability to discern right from wrong.

      OK

      Was the bombing of Libya into the stone age right or wrong?

      Have the people who did that forfeited their right to your respect?

      What I seriously don’t get Veteran is why you are so emotionally invested in whether the Donbass is part of Russia or part of Ukraine.

      I know you think of what is going on as some form of Russian irridentism, rather than the Russia responding to the Eastward expansion of the Trans Atlantic Empire.

      Anyone who thinks beyond slogans knows American dominance relies upon the status of the USD as the worlds default currency and when the Federal reserve prints dollars this in effect imposes a tariff on all international trade

      And since the biggest commodity in international trade is energy, this racket will only last as long as energy is traded in USD

      And those nations with large energy reserves, Russia being one, Iran another and Venezuela yet another who might start trading outside the dollar system present a threat to US dominance.

      Ukraine is being used to cut Europe off from cheap Russian energy – Since it became “independant” the USA has been stirring tensions between the Latin and Uniate West and the Orthodox East and has organized the overthrow of the Government twice and fueled a civil war.

      Russia has been attacked from the West many times over the past 1200 years and prevailed every time

      The stakes here are very, very high. Much higher than you seem to have grasped

      Andrei

      October 2, 2022 at 5:45 pm

      • We can go on and on on and on and I could respond about Russian involvement in Syria and, and, and … but I won’t because it adds nothing to the conversation. But this time your boy Putin has led Russia into a war where there will be no winners, only losers, and chief among those those will be Putin’s Russia … which hopefully will arise again and become a respected member of the community of nations.

        The Veteran

        October 2, 2022 at 6:34 pm

      • We can go on and on on and on and I could respond about Russian involvement in Syria and, and, and … but I won’t because it adds nothing to the conversation

        Actually Syria is an important component in this war, which is global and is part of its territory is in complete violation of the UN charter and international law occupied by the USA, so no wonder you don’t want to talk about it – it just serves to highlight Anglo-Saxon hypocrisy and perfidy.

        This war wasn’t started by VVP – he was dragged into it by the crazies in Washington DC.

        My friend we are in the calm before the perfect storm

        Andrei

        October 2, 2022 at 6:53 pm

  8. Syria … and yes I acknowledge the US presence at the Al-Tanf air base but that is small cheese compared with the leasing by the tainted Syrian government the naval base at at Tartus to Russia on a free-of-charge basis with the your mob being afforded sovereign status over the base and allowed to station up to 11 warships there including nuclear vessels And we won’t even talk about the Russian military facility at Khmeimim Air Base (Russian: Хмеймим) where Tu-22M3 Backfire long-range bombers and Su-35 fighters are stationed.

    So I’ll take your bitch against the US and raise you one.

    The Veteran

    October 2, 2022 at 8:30 pm

    • You are beyond help Veteran.

      Have a good WW3 – it is utter fools like yourself that have enabled this catastrophe

      Andrei

      October 2, 2022 at 10:24 pm

      • You raised Syria and questioned the US ‘occupation’ of Syrian territory and I responded pointing out that Russia has much more of a presence there only for you to ignore that and come back with a ad hominem attack on me. There may be a war and if there is history will record that Putin started with his invasion of the Ukraine … it will be remembered as the 2022 version of the 1914 shot heard around the world.

        Meanwhile one has to wonder what ordinary Russians think of this (not the staged and choreographed mob you see listening to Putin) against the backdrop of their countries GDP projected to drop 11.2% this year and inflation to rise to 22%.

        The Veteran

        October 3, 2022 at 10:28 am

      • Veteran
        Syria is a sovereign state under the UN Charter and any agreements between the internationally recognized Government of that nation and the Russian Federation over the Russian Military within their borders are their business not anybody else’s.

        On the other hand the US have unitarily invaded the Sovereign State of Syria and despite vigorous protests from the Syrian Government have remained there where they supervise the theft of Syrian oil.

        But as we know with the West there is one rule for thee and another for thee.

        And my friend you might like to pretend the Ukrainian crisis began in 2022 and shut your eyes to the the atrocious events that preceded it and the countless attempts by VVP to find diplomatic solutions, sabotaged time and time again by the usual suspects but informed observers know otherwise.

        Western Hubris on display in the dying days of the Western Empire at its worst

        Andrei

        October 3, 2022 at 10:58 am


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