New Zealanders in Australia to get pathway to citizenship.
I expect politicians to put a positive spin on it, but our slide into second world status just rapidly accelerated.
A disaster for “Aotearoa”.
New Zealanders in Australia to get pathway to citizenship.
I expect politicians to put a positive spin on it, but our slide into second world status just rapidly accelerated.
No Minister 
Well my youngest will finish his degree later this year and is already planning to head for Mt Isa and those 200 dump trucks. Not that his quals have anything to with such work but he’s finally acknowledged the bitter fact that staying here in NZ will mean no home and no family because he just won’t be able to earn enough.
So this is good news for him at least.
I wonder if they will allow my kids (who were born in Aussie) to have Aussie citizenship, even they live here now?
They are Australian citizens by birth.
Cool.
There used to be 10,000 people arriving in Auckland each week from overseas to settle here in about 2018.
We also had a housing shortage to go with that.
Are we now going to have 10,000 leave each week and a housing surplus + out of work builders?
Nick, you don’t say why this is a slide.
The legislation was put in place by John Howard to stop the flood of Tongan and Samoan dole bludgers who used ‘no questions asked’ NZ citizenship to avoid Australian immigration restrictions. I thought it was grossly unfair on hard working Kiwis here. There were no tax offsets to make up for the exclusion from social welfare in times of genuine need.
It’s a slide because people like me who are skilled, hard working, industrious etc have stopped looking across the ditch because of the restrictions. This country is in rapid decline, in many areas. Now that it’s much easier for me and my fellow travellers to earn much more money, and have a much better quality of life, thousands and thousands will go. And they will be skilled people. I’m far from a doomsdayer but this country needs rapid and urgent reversals in many areas in order to keep our “best and brightest” here, and that just wondered happen. NZ competes for labour/people and we can’t compete now. By the way, this is not just me saying this, virtually everyone in my vast networks is saying the same. It’s hard to “sell and go” but I’m seriously considering it.
Adolf, this explains it and summarises it well. Chippy has ear plugs in his ears and is wearing blinkers.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/australia-citizenship-change-fears-of-exodus-of-kiwis-searching-for-better-pay-and-conditions/DNNA5BBTH5CIFEI75TGHPWR6YI/
I generally prefer not to supply these bastards with clicks but this Stuff article has some solid anecdotal stories of Kiwis departed and departing to Oz:
The thing that really sticks is the additional information that this was in 2007 and that they returned to NZ to try and make another go of it – and couldn’t. Now they’re gone permanently.
I honestly cannot see this being turned around by a National/ACT government.
Which leaves me wondering if, a decade or more from now, we’ll be staring down the barrel of little more than huge corporate farms (family farms swallowed whole by regulation and AGW “mitigation” efforts) and Iwi corporations employing tens of thousands of immigrants. How many Maori work blue collar jobs for all the Ngāi Tahu companies now?
We’ll become like California: a feudal system of multi-ethnic toffs with a near peasant class of minimum wage immigrants. The middle class? Pfft.
“We’ll become like California: a feudal system of multi-ethnic toffs with a near peasant class of minimum wage immigrants. The middle class? Pfft.”
That comment warrants its own post and expansion of context. It resonates as likely for NZ. California has been boosted by its great climate and the network effect of Silicon Valley. AI is going to destroy the coder part of that network effect. The excess crime and wokeness will destroy the rest.
NZ has tourism and agriculture. Why would reasonably intelligent hard working people stay? I am leaving again shortly and all my children have decided against living here. Min wage service jobs in tourism do not appeal.
Min wage service jobs in tourism do not appeal.
My youngest will finish a qualification in “hospitality” later this year and at least they’ve taught him accounting, finance and such, and in practical settings. We had a fair bit of discussion about this before he started the course in 2021 and I made no bones about the fact that it isn’t a well-paid industry.
Well, he’s seen that for himself now with a “practical” being part of the qual. As a result those 200 tonne dump trucks in Mt Isa are looking better all the time. He’s a smart, honest, drug and booze-free kid so I think he’ll do well.
Sadly my other kids are slowly, reluctantly, coming to the same conclusion. They make it quite clear that they like NZ more than the US, Britain or Oz, but if they stay here they’re fucked as far as getting a home and building a family. I find myself less and less able to produce arguments that they should stay, hence the above comment.
I have to admit that I would not be as well off as I am had I not headed for the USA in the 1980’s and so I’ve suggested to them that maybe they can follow the same path, piling up enough wealth so they can afford to return to NZ and be able to cope with the much lower incomes. But of course things change and the longer you remain overseas the harder to return it becomes. It was only my rather unique circumstances that caused me to come back.
Having said that my niece returned last year with two little kids and a Yank husband, but as with me, their circumstances, both in the USA and here, were unique.
Sorry to hear that you’re moving again but I understand. You sound like that couple who left, returned and left again.
As far as expanding this, as you know I concentrate on the USA and occasionally other foreign places. We’ve got more than a few Kiwis here on the blog who could put such a post together about where we’re going locally – especially since you and one of our commentators, Exiled In Texas have recent experience.