I don’t trust The Spinoff, which I regard as the online, 21st century version of The Listener, hitting all the notes of whatever is currently trendy with the Left.
However, they have given space to Danyl Mclauchlan, the man behind the fabulous blog The Dim Post, which has sadly been locked in private limbo since Danyl got proper writing jobs. As much as I enjoy his serious essays, like this one on the Administrative State, his satire was brilliant and biting during the Key era (** see below for three examples). It’s no great surprise to see him now writing for…. The Listener.
And so I was willing to give this lengthy article a crack and I think you should too, as it covers the history of Seymour in ACT from its nadir in the 2017 polls to now: The fall and rise of David Seymour and the Act Party. There’s a lot of detail about how the Party itself dealt with all that, especially in terms of candidate selection and management, with a notable avoidance of letting MP’s vanish into their own corners with their own advisors. Some notable excerpts:
It was critical that the MPs didn’t get swollen heads. Of other parties, said Seymour, “I don’t know what these other guys are all going on about. It’s just insane. They think being an MP is important. I mean, it’s an opportunity to do good stuff, but it’s not in itself important. Some of the self-important behaviour, it’s unbelievable.”
We see a lot of that, and have done for decades. Labour’s Michael Wood is merely the latest example.
With that in mind, there was little to lose in taking up an invitation from the producers of Dancing with the Stars. He insists it wasn’t for political reasons. “You’ve got to remember this is the end of 2017. I just thought, you know, we just got half a per cent, everything’s so screwed. I thought, whatever happens now, what will I regret more – going on a live televised celebrity dancing competition, or not going on it?”
Had Act been even 3.5% in the polls, Seymour probably would have decided against appearing on the show.
I am so thankful I don’t watch broadcast or cable TV. Even the 5 second Twitter glimpse I got of Seymour twerking was major cringe, but I appreciate his honesty about the polling and it shows up in another story he tells:
At the time, Seymour says today, he only had one experience of meeting a group of gun owners. He’d been judging a charity version of Dancing with the Stars in Whakatāne. “And these guys fed me Panhead Pilsner the whole night – the scores were going up through the roof,” he recalled. “I got up on Sunday morning, and God knows why but I’d been scheduled – this was a time when I’d go to the opening of an envelope – to go and visit the Whakatāne pistol club. So I’m there, Sunday morning, in a cloud of ethanol, it’s amazing that it didn’t ignite with these guns going off. But they were a hell of a nice people. Really responsible. It was a family thing. A lot of kids there. And they were absolutely anal about safety.”
He said: “I don’t even know how the hell I got invited. But it struck me that these were good people. And the way that the government went about [the reforms], the idea that legislating against them was gonna stop that guy – well, actually, the real problem was, that guy should never have been allowed to buy one of them.”
Speaking as a long-time gun-owner, one who’s been shooting since I was 12, and one who never owned a semi-automatic rifle (never liked them), I can tell you that it wasn’t just the “reforms” that pissed people like me off but the stupid, pig-ignorant hatred that came with it. As an aside my solution would have been to simply bump such rifle owners into the pistol class, since that requires more hoops and scrutiny to jump through because many pistols are semi-autos. And I suppose I’m letting the cat out of the bag here a bit – especially with the largely ignorant gun-haters – but that class still exists in the wake of the reforms, there are hundreds of pistol owners across NZ, and you can kill a lot of people with them alone, as demonstrated in the 2007 Virginia Tech mass shooting.
But getting back to ACT, Seymour’s lone stand against that bullshit in 2019 is what has made his caving on the lockdown, mask and vaccine mandates so very disappointing. Perhaps one can say that the public and MSM pressure was even greater on those issues than it was in the wake of the 2019 mass shooting and perhaps Seymour, looking at the flak that Simon Bridges took for even trying to argue a little against the lockdowns, simply decided to avoid a fight he couldn’t win for the sake of future political gains, a decision that has – politically – turned out to be correct.
There’s also the simple fact that in spite of what I regard as a gross failure to measure up to his and ACT’s principles of freedom, I’ll vote ACT this year simply because the nation cannot afford another three years of Labour or, god forbid, a Labour-Green-Te Pati Maori government – but also because it cannot afford another go-along-to-get-along National government; we’ve slipped too far already and just bumbling along with the status quo will see things get worse. And on that note:
After 2020, he said, “we were probably more in competition with National than any other party, which sounds weird, but it drove us to be good … We were frustrated that they didn’t seem to believe in anything. And we wanted to be the conscience of the right.”
In his first term in parliament, Seymour said, his relationship with National was strong. “They needed my vote to stay in government. So they’d do anything for me. Not that I really asked.” That changed after 2017. “The Nats became almost totally hostile,” he said, citing a promo video of Bill English visiting a charter school, from which Seymour had been “very, very carefully edited out.” That mood led to a “new kind of independence” – one that he was on balance grateful for.
Having watched what happened to ACT during Key’s first term (Rodney given the hospital pass of building the godforsaken Super City), the Maori Party with National from 2008-2014, and what Labour has done to their coalition partners over the years, from the Alliance (1999-2002), and the hapless Greens forever, I’m going to be taking a very close interest in how Seymour and his MP’s manage the next transformation when or if they attempt to join the next National Government, which I think they will after this year’s election.
There has been some talk about merely sitting on the cross-benches and while that might enable more of their policy to be passed it would mean their MP’s would not be blooded in deputy ministerial roles, something that is important when it comes to getting things done. The article notes that Seymour himself was offered a ministerial by Key but turned it down in favour of an under-secretary position, enabling him to be in the executive, but able to pursue legislation independently. Perhaps we’ll see that for other ACT MP’s?
** I’ve put in three old Dim Post satirical pieces that can be found on the Wayback Machine. Enjoy.
- PM shrugs off brain fade accusations (2012) (Key himself has dismissed his opposition critics as ‘weak decaying vertebrates.’)
- Chris Trotter on Party Central (a dead-on take of Trotter’s florid style: “the labile pink floodgates of change” lives long in my memory)
- National to stand Spider God in Epsom (Campaign slogan: ‘Darkness. Warmth. Dust.’)
“But getting back to ACT, Seymour’s lone stand against that bullshit in 2019 is what has made his caving on the lockdown, mask and vaccine mandates so very disappointing”
Yes it was super disappointing Tom given ACT is supposed to be about freedom of the individual. Even more disappointing was the fact he was even more extreme than the parties of the left Labour, Greens and National. Advocating harming our children even before the “vaccine” was approved for use by children was an act [pun intended] of pure evil which speaks to his character or lack thereof.
I strongly disagree Tom that it turned out to be correct. Missed was a chance to carve out a different more principled path, all for the sake of momentary popularity of those who would never vote for ACT even if their lives depended on it.
Reblogged this on Utopia, you are standing in it!.
ACT was the so called party of freedom who I supported at the 2020 elections. One year later, they were conspiciously absent in their objections to lockdowns, mandates, MIQ, jabbing kids etc.
If that doesn’t tell you something about their lack of principles and integrity, I don’t know what will.
And no, I wont be voting for them because ‘they arent as bad as national, labour, etc.
I find it interesting that when the chips were down, the so called ‘con man’ Brian Tamaki stood up for what was right (and spent time in prison for it), while every party in parliament simply followed the polls and adjusted their messaging accordingly.
Morals, integrity, Right and wrong, etc were never considered by the politicians in parliament.
At the moment, ACT are campaigning for ‘Real change now’ -really?, thats what they said back in 2020….
As I have said countless times if he had the balls to stand up and apologise about this huge error in judgement, I would vote for him.
But his arrogance precludes that.
I understand some people have tackled him at public meetings about his stance and have been belittled.
Makes you think something about the public image is a little flawed.
A real shame as he had his opportunity to stand head and shoulders above the others, carve out the high ground in the pandemic , in line with his party philosophy, but he turned out to be a less than a corporal.!
I have a lot of respect for David Seymour, whom I was good friends with once upon a time, and even used to go drinking with at weekends. As I’ve often recounted, he was the world’s worst wingman, because he would inevitably end up trying to talk politics to any attractive women we would encounter. However, it seems like he’s got his shit together, and good for him.
Some people like to say that they never left their party – their party left them. I definitely left the ACT party. Getting married, having children, living in Texas, and being chrismated into the Orthodox Church made me a conservative. I’m just not on board with ACT’s low taxes + baby and granny killing schtick. They probably still have more policies that I support than any other party in Parliament, but nothing I care about that’s worth compromise on culture war issues, where they are either limply tepid, or completely on the other side.
WRT “right wingers” it’s amazing to me how similar they’re becoming to those Lefties who remained stuck in the 1935-1960 world of FDR and Mickey Savage even as those things they’d built began to fall apart. Which is to say that a lot of RW’s are stuck in a 1980’s-90’s doom loop of this “economically Right, Socially Left”.
I continue to try and explain that these so-called “culture wars” they keep dismissing are, sooner or later, going to kill their world of deregulation, lower government spending, and tax cuts because the culture war victories of the Left will kill the basis of societies that all their RW economic stuff depends on, starting with having kids, educating them to be something other than permanent political activists, and ending with social welfare and the freedoms needed to have a democratic, capitalist society.
But they just don’t see it. Paul Ryan gave a classic example of this the other day when, in some interview with one of the Alphabet MSM units, he said that he “wasn’t a culture war guy” and I thought, “Yeah, and that’s why you never shifted off your ass with a GOP Presdent and Congressional majority to produce anything more than tax cuts, as if everything else will just take care of itself”
Fuckwit. To that end though I have enjoyed this, Disney’s Downhill Slide:
But of course the kicker is the fact that the supposedly capitalist business owners and management of Disney refuse to change course on “injecting woke” even as they see these disasters. It’s a refutation of the old ACT and Paul Ryan argument that the market rules and you needn’t worry about anything else.
Yup, much of the Right, especially in NZ, still thinks it’s 1980, and their solutions are responses to the Carters, Callaghans and Muldoons, when we just don’t live in that world any more. Even now that cretin Farrar is happy that a teacher got struck off for refusing to use the right pronouns for a student, as if the old formula of caving to the left on these issues will somehow translate to votes for muh Reaganomics. And unfortunately, that way lies a consensus uniparty world, which ends with us paying for our bug rations with mark-of-the-beast microchip implants, and 15 minute cities with actual Red Barchetta style motor laws. And they will sit in their shoebox apartments in these cities with their they/them name tags, and blankly wonder how we got here.
Very well said Tom. Maybe I’m wrong but I think the Culture war is the most important war to fight. Unfortunately the feckless twits in our so called “centre right” haven’t the balls let alone the intelligence to fight it.
That includes ACT BTW.
A couple of weeks ago DPF was on “Bomber” Bradbury’s podcast and said that “The Kiwblog audience is a little different from mainstream voters” and I laughed that such awareness has not translated into realising that things like his “Teacher” post ran into an almost unanimous condemnation of the treatment of the teacher.
It’s the Paul Ryan/Wayne Mapp syndrome that “these guys are just extremists and we can write them off”. How many Brexit and Trump events does it take before the penny drops? It’s obvious that not just Labour in NZ but the Democrats in the USA and Lefty parties around the world increasingly don’t give a shit about The Working Class and care more about their new friends in Mt Albert and Khandallah.
Old time Lefties like Bradbury do seem to get that, especially when they see how little Labour and the Greens care, and by contrast how excited they get by Woke shit. But in his case all he can offer is vastly more tax and government spending to engorge an already vast State (while bitching about the Wellington bureaucrats like an ACT member – DOH) – as opposed to the First Labour government’s focus on getting people into productive jobs, starting with State ones if necessary and then moving on – and being absolutely determined to not create a shiftless welfare class. Sure, the things they started eventually fell apart but their hearts were in the right place.
But the centre-Right parties, by and large, have still not picked up on this, even as they get the occasional win resulting from it, like Trump and Boris’s big victory.
In fact, here’s a classic example from 2011 of how the Paul Ryan’s of this world just don’t get it. I have to admit that even though it’s a Democrat advert it makes me laugh because of the black humour involved.
The Democrats won that debate against Ryan precisely because they waged a Culture War battle against him and he didn’t realise it. The wonkish git continued to think he was just arguing about statistics and tax revenue and expenditure, even as he got crushed by the emotion of “But you’ll kill granma”
Like I said “feckless twits”.