I’m glad I didn’t bother commenting at the time on the strange events that occurred in Russia a couple of weeks ago when one of Putin’s longtime henchmen, Yevgeny Prigozhin, decided to use his Wagner group of Mercenaries to take over the city of Rostov-on-Don (the military base of command for the Ukrainian war) and then head towards Moscow to take out his enemies in the Russian Military.
Not Putin of course. Prigozhin made that very clear from the start and in public via his Russian Telegram account, in a way that nobody could pretend was Western lies (lots of video at the link). In fact he even tried to make it all sound very patriotic; the Russian generals had screwed up the Ukrainian invasion from the start, including lying about the reasons for it, were still screwing up, and had to be replaced for the sake of winning the war, the honour of Mother Russia and to preserve the great leadership of the god head Putin:
“PMC Wagner Commanders’ Council made a decision: the evil brought by the military leadership of the country must be stopped. They neglect the lives of soldiers. They forgot the word “justice”, and we will bring it back…After we finished what we started, we will return to the frontline to protect our motherland. Presidential authority, Government, Ministry of Internal Affairs, Rosgvardia, and other departments will continue operating as before.
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“The Ministry of Defense is trying to deceive the public and the president and spin the story that there were insane levels of aggression from the Ukrainian side and that they were going to attack us together with the whole NATO block,”
This didn’t stop Putin from going on National TV, talking about charges against Prigozhin and using words like “Traitor”, which is not a word used lightly in that country, and not when you had Wagner troops shooting down several Russian attack helicopters just a couple of hundred miles down a highway from Moscow.
And then it was suddenly all over, after just 48 hours. Prigozhin called a halt to his troops. The President of Belarus got involved in negotiations and the next thing everybody knew Prigozhin had given up control of Wagner and headed into exile in Belarus, with all charges dropped. Yes, really:
Just in April of this year, opposition activist Vladimir Kara-Murza, Jr was sentenced by a Russian court to 25 years in prison for merely speaking out against Putin’s war in Ukraine. Kara-Murza’s treason conviction was “the latest move in the Kremlin’s relentless crackdown on anyone who dares to criticize the invasion.”
Well yes, but Kara-Murza didn’t have thousands of armed mercenaries behind him, spread from Russia to Ukraine to Africa. It’s not as if Prigozhin’s very public criticism of the Russian military and its leaders is new. He’s been unloading on them for months, in particular accusing them of not supplying his Wagner troops with sufficient artillery support around Bakhmut and letting his guys die in their thousands after they took over the fighting there. I kept wondering how the hell he was being allowed to do this so publicly but figured it was the usual powerplay of such states, where the leader keeps his minions on their toes by setting them against one another.
In fact some of the crazier Russian supporters pushed that line hard:
There was no civil war. There were zero casualties. It was just Prigozhin being batshit crazy like he always is, and right back to the frontlines after his outburst. What do I think? I think Prigozhin is working with Putin as usual to accomplish any number of goals. What did Putin gain? The disguise of the movement of mass quantities of his troops, the appearance of being weak to bait Ukraine to attack (they did and lost outside Artyomovsk), and he weeded out any traitors who may have tried to join with Prigozhin. What did Putin ultimately lose? Nothing.
As the writer of that article, former US Infantry officer, Strieff, says in response:
This may make sense if you are huffing glue and using PCP suppositories; otherwise, not so much. Prigozhin was not “being batsh** crazy as usual.” He took over two Russian cities, including the headquarters of the Southern Military District that controls the fighting in Ukraine. Units of the Russian Army rallied to his banner. There weren’t “zero casualties.” Wagner shot down at least six Russian aircraft. Traitors weren’t weeded out; they were given amnesty. Trigger-happy security forces killed civilians. No one “worshipped” Prigozhin. Everyone knows who and what he is.
So what the hell was this? A coup d’etat? Rebellion? Putsch? Revolt? Insurrection? Mutiny? You can see the definitions over at Pablo’s post, When a coup is not a coup, where he concludes that it was none of these things. I agree.
This was a testing of the waters by Prigozhin, to see who or what would flock to his banner, and although some did it was not enough and he quickly folded his cards to escape to relative safety. But in this test he revealed cracks in Russian society. The deputy chief of the GRU, Russian military intelligence, said Prigozhin was welcome to take Shoigu and Gerasimov away. Here is video of Prigozhin leaving the headquarters of the Southern Military District in Rostov-on-Don, with a crowd shouting their support for him. There was also video of locals clearly not pleased to see the return of Russian Police.
None of this made Putin or the Russian Army look competent, and it has to be humiliating for Putin, no matter what propaganda he tries to push across his MSM. What strongman makes a deal with a man he called a traitor? Part of his army abandoned him. A lot of people in areas taken over by Wagner were openly supportive.
And now, just two weeks later, here’s an example of Putin’s weakness, courtesy of a very similar figure, Turkey’s President Erdogan, who not only met with Ukrainian President Zelensky, but took two specific anti-Russian actions.
First he announced his unambiguous support for Ukrainian membership in NATO. Considering the stalling actions he made over admitting Sweden and Finland to come out with this is a big deal.
Second, he released to Zelensky five of the senior commanders of the Azovstal iron and steel works siege in Mariupol, which Turkey had promised to interne in Turkey until the end of the war as part of POW-exchange that Turkey negotiated last September. Remember that these are people that Putin declared to be neo-Nazis. Russia was not happy:
Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov claimed Ukraine and Turkey “violated” prisoner exchange agreements amid the return of Ukrainian commanding officers who defended the Azovstal steel plant from Turkey.
Turkey has been walking a very thin line in this conflict; they supplied some military weapons to Ukraine – quietly – but have also been diplomatic with Russia and not tried to inflame the situation. Certainly you couldn’t say that Erdogan is pro-West, let alone pro-American. No, you only pull stunts like this against Putin when you’ve sniffed the wind and concluded that he’s been weakened and will be weakened further.
And while Prigozhin’s effort may have failed there are other power centres in Russia that will be looking at these events, drawing their conclusions, and making plans for a post-Putin future. As this article notes:
Putin is often called a Machiavellian. If he has read Machiavelli, he would know that a prince is never safe from armed militia men and their divided loyalties… Mercenaries and auxiliaries, as well as banished men in foreign courts, as Machiavelli wrote, have no fixed loyalty, and are disposed to constantly probing the limits of their power; only fear keeps them in line.
And it’s not as if Prigozhin didn’t have a point about Russian military leadership that Putin must know by now:
The planners were Shoigu, the Russian version of an affirmative action hire with no military knowledge, and Gerasimov, the Russian strategist who once thought information warfare is the future rather than hard power. Any military strategist worth his salt knows that logistics is far more important than tactics. Gerasimov’s boneheaded plan to take Kiev led to Russia losing the cream of her VDV airborne troops in a matter of weeks.
Here we have two highly credentialed midwit bureaucrats deliberately misleading their countrymen about a war that they thought would be won in three months at maximum with a strategy that did not consider local nationalism and resistance, and who thought postmodernity is all about gray zones, pink-haired people on computers, and utilization of disinformation, unlike those neanderthal hard men with blood in their eyes. If that sounds familiar, you might be having an attack of noticing things that you shouldn’t.
The rise of incompetent people like that are merely symptoms of the cracks.
As I’ve said before, Streiff is a neocon partisan who loves to wishcast. If everything he said was remotely true, Zelensky would be doing victory parades in Red Square by now.
The whole brief coup was bizarre. Based on the outcome, I can only surmise that it was theater. “Yeah, but it showed up how weak Putin is!” is just more wishcasting. He benefited from all this.
It was fun to see all the gloating on Twitter while it was happening though, only for some people to look very foolish mere hours later.
It was fun to see all the gloating on Twitter while it was happening…
Yeah. It was why I held off, because of the famous Hollywood quip that ‘nobody knows anything’. and Churchill’s famous riddle-enigma comment.
But… He benefited from all this.
I think the Erdogan thing alone shows that Putin has not benefited from this and we’re going to see more, especially from the Chinese. Putin’s still in control and I expect him to remain so, but I just don’t see how this didn’t hurt him and aside from some of the fever-dreams about he and Prigozhin working together to root out traitors and such like, I haven’t seen one solid, specific argument as to exactly how he benefited from this? That he maintained control of the military? Jesus, that’s the bare minimum and only if “control” includes some elements slipping away temporarily.
Streiff is a neocon partisan…
While he fought in the Gulf War and into the 2000’s (I think) he’s been pretty tough on the whole neocon project, he’s pro-Trump-policies both domestic and foreign, while getting stuck into Trump on occasion. He’s also stuck it to Zelensky for pushing too hard, into US politics.
Sure, he thinks Putin blows, that Russia’s invasion of Ukraine was wrong, and wants Ukraine to win by getting back to their original borders. But I haven’t detected any ra-ra-ra attitude about the Ukrainian military and I think he’s been calling balls and strikes pretty well on the whole situation given his starting position of opposition to the invasion.
On other fronts he’s been damned tough on the intrusion of woke BS into the US military, plus the whole Jan 6 BS. For me it’s the 80:20 rule regarding allies.
You might as well call me a neo-con, and while it’s true that I supported the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq in the early 2000’s, suffice to say I’m skeptical about a lot more now re the USA than I was then – and that includes this war, which I’m convinced will end in a negotiated stalemate, wherever the borders end up.
Ha….gaslighting the gaslighters…….maybe the big fella is onto it?
Anyone who takes an ounce of notice of Crim Dot Com needs to be castrated and flogged.
Maybe…….although I find nazifellation similarly leaves a slightly salty taste
What is clear is that:
Ukraine is a buffer against Russian aggression
Ukraine is buying the rest of Europe time to rearm
Russia has proven to be a paper tiger, as exposed by their aggression.
However that paper tiger will still be aggressively territorially expansionist.
Whoever leads Russia could well use the same tactics as Putin.
I would imagine them running the betrayal line of the unscrupulous German politicians of the post 1918 era that led to the rise of Hitler.
If we assume Russia is at least 100 years behind the West in economic and social development, then it is prudent for the West to rearm.
That is why countries like Denmark are providing their F16 fighters to Ukraine.
The rest is just noise and actors on the stage in Russia as it implodes around them.
Ukraine must win, and no cost is too high. The costs of the alternatives are even higher.
LOL – the west is so advanced that the cultural elites cannot tell the difference between a man and a woman and they actually celebrate sexual squalor.
In reality of course NATO is just using Ukraine as a battering ram to attack Holy Rus in an attempt to usurp her resources and spread the Western gospel of sexual degeneracy
But I guess you think fighting WW3 to preserve sodomite marriage is a worthy cause.
Well good for you
Back on planet reality, where CNNs fairy tales are given the credance they merit, the majority of Wagners commanders and their men stayed put and are now being absorbed into the Russian military
Wagner was initially deployed in Lugansk of course. Russian law forbids the deployment of Wagner on Russian soil. Lugansk is now of course Russian, despite the wailing of Wesern deadbeat politcians, who can do sfa to change the situation on the ground, indeed they seem incapable of keeping the economies of their own nations afloat while looking to the welfare of their own citizens let alone gaining control over the ancient lands of Novorussiya, a place they have no business to be poking their noses into in the first place but as we all know young Slav males are being used as cannon fodder to help keep Hunter Biden in coke and whores, anf Nancy Pelosi in designer ice cream
What’s a CNN?
Is that the best you can do?
When champions of “American Exceptionalism” such as yourself can come up up with it just shows the sorry state of the world and how hollow the
philosophiesslogans that guide you.I suspect “Vlad of the bad judgement” doesn’t eat ice cream, simply because Russia hasn’t the technology to make it, and the western equipment to make ice cream, in typical east slav manner, has had no routine maintenance applied to it.
But Russiya has run its course. By 1945 the Americans knew with certainity Russka only floated with the support of LendLease.
The only issue was timing as the US public wouldn’t stand for another mass scale war. In that case it had to wait.
Czar Putin has made a massive miscalculation, displaying weakness, and given this misstep and the fact the strong consume the weak, I guess Amerika has stepped into claim its bounty.
Fair enough. In the world geopolitical struggle the Yanks don’t want the chinks to get their hands on the goodies.
The corrupt Bidens are only bit players with walk on roles. When it comes to raping a country Czar Putin and his cronies take the Russian cake. (if you have cake in Russia ?)
In my book the West wins, and so do the vast uncounted and ignored peasants of Russia, as a rising tide raises all boats Andre.