No Minister

New Zealand or Aotearoa

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I took the following quote from the comments on a facebook post under the name of Poi Creations asking the above question that I saw last evening. I have not included the commenters name:

`No! I have been a New Zealander for over 70 years and I am proud of being a New Zealander. New Zealanders are so diverse. It allows me to represent all the cultures that make up my DNA.

Aotearoa is too restrictive for me. Before anyone calls me racists my dad is from Mangatu Ngati Porou, my mother is from Raukokore Te Whaanau Apanui. My great grand parents are from Bartletts, in Gisborne, and England, my other great grand parents are from England, Ireland, Scotland Spain. What a lovely.mixture.

Remember this is my opinion I am expressig.

This made me think of my ancestry.

Paternal: My father emigrated from The Isle Of Lewis, Scotland in 1927, at the age of 26, to find work.

Maternal: I am 4th Generation with both sets of my mothers Great Grand Parents arriving in New Zealand from England in the late 1860’s and/or early 1870’s. They were a diverse group from Somerset, Gloucestershire, and Warwickshire.

In conclusion I am firmly in the keep the name as New Zealand camp and I think that reflects the thrust of the very informal facebook poll. What I find interesting is that a number of people identfying as Maori favour retaining New Zealand as they see no value in changing the name.

Written by pdm1946

August 18, 2022 at 10:04 am

Posted in New Zealand

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  1. The difference between the “Aotearoa” campaign and John Key’s flag campaign is one of the differences between the Left and the Right.

    The Right, at least in the form of National and Key, went for a referendum to obtain the people’s choice – and they lost on their preference for change.

    The Left have simply decided that this is how it’s going to be and are able to rope in all their minions in the MSM and government bureaucracies, plus local government, to get the change done. Fuck public opinion and referendums.

    And they’re winning, and will win on this issue. And it’s how they will win on other issues as well. The equivalent for Key would have been to simply pick a flag – let’s say the classic sport one of the silver fern on a black background – and just start hanging it everywhere and using it everywhere on official correspondence.

    People like you are still living in what we call the reality-based community. You believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality. That’s not the way the world really works anymore.

    Tom Hunter

    August 18, 2022 at 10:39 am

  2. Actually I could’ve almost accepted the silver fern, all the other designs were gauche to say the least.

    Porky Roebuck

    August 18, 2022 at 3:17 pm

    • Laser kiwi all the way

      Paranormal

      August 18, 2022 at 3:31 pm

  3. PDM
    I could have written that comment. Almost word for word.

    adolffinkensen

    August 18, 2022 at 5:44 pm

    • Only the Maori ancestry stop me Adolf – the rest is easy.

      This person was not the only one of Maori descent voicing variations of those same views which I think is encouraging.

      pdm1946

      August 18, 2022 at 7:28 pm

      • Ngati Hine and Tainui. I’m ashamed to say I may be distantly related to the tattooed walrus.

        adolffinkensen

        August 19, 2022 at 1:21 pm

  4. I am firmly in retaining New Zealand box. Maori had no concept of statehood or nation they were Tribal and the areas of those holdings were very flexible, depending as they did on conquest. Even naming the Islands was somewhat problematical and nothing in writing.
    In my First Response career it was made clear on so many occasions “if it is not written down it didn’t happen”?
    Tasman had very clear understanding of territorial areas and naming, having originally named Tasmania, Van Diemen’s Land to honour the Dutch Governor General of Batavia during his 1642 cruise.
    Only the woke who make up new Maori words for any and every thing on a daily basis might think otherwise.

    Gravedodger

    August 18, 2022 at 6:38 pm

  5. Use the oldest NZ Flag. The Ensign of the United Tribes of NZ f modern outdates the ToW.

    Now it can be used as the Flag of the United Tribes of Modern NZ, Maori, Pakeha, P Is, the Asian Nationalities and every one else

    Fighting Temeraire

    August 18, 2022 at 6:42 pm

  6. Well lets have a quick look at the merits of the contenders.

    New Zealand
    Looking at the first part “New” in most languages means new.
    So for the emigrants be they Scots, Irish, English, Dutch, German, Italian, Greek, Chinese, Asians etc etc “new” resonated as they escaped the oppression of their respective countries.
    New was a chance to start a life, a new system, a system based on equality of opportunity

    In Maori culture back circa 13 C no such word existed, but I suspect the motive was the same.
    Except the outcome was the same as the old system, if not worse.
    Hence there is no New Hawakii, or NewFiji, or newTokalau

    Zealand or Zeeland
    This word means “land of or by the sea”
    Clearly this word is the perfect fit for New Zealand no matter what your culture.
    For the Maori it is also a great fit as they came from an Island culture as colonists too, destroying peoples, and flora and fauna that was already here.

    So we have “New Land of the Sea”

    Looking at the alternative.
    “Land of the Long White Cloud”

    Every country in the world has fucking clouds
    Fly the Tasman Sea and its full of clouds, often coast to coast. Its not called Sea of the Long White Cloud, thats just silly.
    Europe is full of clouds, in fact clouds are a very important part of managing the Earths atmosphere.

    So in conclusion as all of New Zealand’s inhabitants are new, they all came for a new life, and they all came to some “island of or from the Sea”

    Apart from that New Zealand rolls off the tongue very nicely.
    It also has mana in the world
    It also has 1000 years of lifting the world adventurous out of poverty, political oppression, disease and strife in the countries they left.

    As I always say the Maori who gave their lives in W1 and WW2, along with a vast number of “other’ New Zealanders” who far exceeded them numerically, fought for New Zealand.

    rossco

    August 18, 2022 at 7:58 pm


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