I see that the nice Jamie-Lee-Ross has teamed up with Billy Te Kahika to form a new political party about to be consigned to the dustbin of history.
By any measure it is the coming together of the narcissist and the plain wacky coated in self-delusion.
Ross will have his fate determined both by the Courts where he is to go to trial starting 6 September on charges of electoral fraud and by the electorate two weeks later. One would hope that those considering voting for him will take time out to read https://www.newsroom.co.nz/go-back-into-a-room-with-a-predator-no-thank-you which covers off the investigation by Parliamentary Services (at a cost of $34,000) into allegations of bullying, harassment, and sexual harassment against Ross by members of his parliamentary staff.
Ross is deserving of all he gets and for Billy, well sorry fella, it’s guilt by association.
No Minister 
Got the info below from a Kiwi friend who has been following Billy TK’s twists and turns about politics.
I have just got off the phone from the Electoral Commission, who advised me of the following:
1. They have received nothing in terms of the New Zealand Public Party registration and therefore, given it is an 8 week process, it will not be registered by the 16th of August and will not be able to contest the 2020 General Elections.
2. If the New Zealand Public Party merges with an already registered party, they would need to be listed as a component party and that will require the same 8 week process, meaning they are out of time.
3. If the financial members of the New Zealand Public Party all join the already existing registered Political Party and simply apply for a change of name and logo, this is a shorter time frame, but it is not believed they will meet the deadline given the 2 week time frame before the Electoral Commission can sit to consider this and then carry out all necessary checks to achieve it.
4. The New Zealand Public Party may stand individual candidates under the party name, but as it is not and will not be a legally registered political party, they cannot contest the Party vote in any way.
Either way, the New Zealand Public Party will not be contesting the 2020 General Elections according to the New Zealand Electoral Commission.
This is why I asked the NZPP and it’s members so many questions to seek clarification, but unfortunately all that was met with was “wait and see, an announcement will be made this Sunday (26th July)” and “the New Zealand Public Party will be contesting the 2020 General Elections”. The latter of course, according to the Electoral Commission (that should know) is patently false!
Er, again as per my initial critique of your last post which you seem not to have incorporated into your mental schema of reference hence you are throwing around phrases like, “guilt by association”
…Jamie Lee Ross is presumed innocent until proven guilty. Basic legal and constitutional fact.
Starting to understand why calling you out is become like shooting fish in a barrel?
Reading this post, one would never guess Ross was a highly-valued senior National Party MP right up until he fell out with the party.
The alleged bullying and harassment of staff happened while he was a National MP and we know from his recorded conversations with the leadership that they felt the complaints could be made to go away if he cooperated with them.
The alleged donations fraud occurred in his role in obtaining donations for the National Party, and again the recorded conversations make it clear the party leadership had no problem with that fraud.
National seems to believe that, having made Ross an unperson and removed him from the photos, he ceases to be anything to do with them. Unfortunately for this party though, it doesn’t control the justice system or the media, so the rest of us know very well that Ross’ activities were National Party activities.
Ssssh! You are interfering with the Vet’s talking points…and btw, he is free to post what he wants! 😂
And just don’t try to get a straight answer from him if he really wants the next government to cut government contributions to KiwiSaver!
Also, as an aside and irrespective of political stripe, politics is a perfect vocation for narcissists. Hence the proportion who are attracted to it is likely very high compared to many other forms of employment.
Kimbo … straight answer … yes, until fiscal conditions improve. As for JLR and of course he’s guilty until proven innocent. That’s a given. But equally he’s am narcissist by any measure … you want to argue otherwise?
Milt … care to reference your assertion that the latest happened while he was a National Party MP. Look, all Parties make mistakes … National with JLR and Fallon. Yours with the Material Girl etc … your point?
Sorry, I’ve got to press you on this point, Vet, because I find it hard to believe that your answer is not an oversight caused by your confusion, as you are advocating a position not even ACT adopts: you want to stop Government contributions to KiwiSaver, not just the Super Fund?!
Take your time to research and distinguish those two things in your mind if you want, including the implications and fallout of the government reneging on a key component of a social contract that millions of Kiwis have bought into financially and emotionally since KiwiSaver was introduced in 2005. Would make the years of bad faith that resulted from both Labour and National reneging on their promises not to introduce or maintain a Super surtax in 1985 and 1990 respectively, and which has been a major part of Winston Peters’ subsequent 30 year career, look tame.
Also, if it’s a “given” that JLR is both a narcissist (an assessment with which I heartily concur), but also “innocent until proven guilty” of the current charges he faces, why even use the phrase, “guilt by association”?!
The difference between the Nats and Labour, in particular, is that when the Nats idenfify a bad egg, they promptly remove it from the basket. Labour, on the other hand, hide and protect the bad egg.
…and if the government gets to “opt out” of their KiwiSaver commitments for a time due to financial constraints (thus sending a reeeeeeally bad signal concerning confidence in ourselves to our international lenders, btw),
…on what moral and financial basis should employers still have contribute?!
So once those two planks go, you’ve just sabotaged the two incentives that caused up-take in the first place, thus undermining any long-term confidence that the Government won’t suddenly renege on that any of commitments (Nat Super, public education and health, social welfare) when it alone decides the going gets too tough?!
Vet, have you ever researched why whole societies lose confidence in their government, and overthrow them in violent revolutions?
No, surely you’ve confused KiwiSaver and the Super Fund…
… care to reference your assertion that the latest happened while he was a National Party MP.
The latest what? Both the bullying/harassment and the dodgy donations handling happened while he was a National MP.
Yours with the Material Girl etc … your point?
Assuming that childish name-calling is directed at Metiria Turei, I reject the claim that the Green Party made a mistake in having her as co-leader. Unlike Ross, she hasn’t done anything wrong. And my point is that any National supporters writing about what an awful character Ross is open themselves up to the response that National was very happy with that same awful character right up until he became a liability.
The difference between the Nats and Labour, in particular, is that when the Nats idenfify a bad egg, they promptly remove it from the basket.
Seriously? Bridges and Bennett were recorded telling Ross it could all be made to go away as long as he announced he was taking mental-health-related stress leave.
PM,
How can you say Metiria Turei did nothing wrong? She publicly admitted she was claiming a benefit when she should not have been, then proceeded to justify it on the basis of poverty, and lack of support. It then came out that the parents (one of whom became a Labour MP) of the father of the child were providing substantial support. I imagine she thought the public would be tolerant of what she did – she was using it to justify an increase in benefits. But when the full story game out her position as Co-Leader was untenable.
None of which were contrary to the Green “brand”, nor maybe the core values of their supporters. If on the other hand she had owned shares in a timber logging company that felled Indonesian teak forests that turned them into glossy porno magazines…
Several reasons:
1. Youthful indiscretions shouldn’t be a bar to political office.
2. The point she was making was correct: beneficiaries have to find ways to make ends meet, and some of those ways will involve dishonesty. That’s an issue with our social welfare system, not the beneficiaries.
3. The allegations that made her position untenable were a triumph of oppo research rather than a refutation of her point (oppo research being investigations aimed at discrediting an individual rather than contesting their political views).
4. She knew she was taking a massive risk in assuming that public hostility to beneficiaries had reduced from previous decades, but went ahead anyway because the cause was worth it.
All of that’s in stark opposition to Jami-Lee Ross’ situation, which involved malicious or corrupt actions carried out as an MP and either ignored or endorsed by his party.
…further to Milt
…and that is why pale stale male Kennedy Graham and Dave Clendon who made a fuss about Tueri’s prior benefit fraud were quickly ostracised from the Party.
1. Youthful indiscretions shouldn’t be a bar to political office.
Quick! someone tell David Garret.
Hmm. In the light of JLR, Aaron Gilmore, Todd Barclay, Hamish Walker and Andrew Falloon
…I’m not sure it is a wise move for David Farrar to criticise Labour’s candidate selection process as it differs from National! 😳😂
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2020/07/selected_after_just_four_days.html
Gotta love Milt. When it’s one of his team, anything can be a “youthful indiscretion” – no matter whether it was an adult defrauding the benefit system, or a young adult sticking his hands down the pants of minors at a Labour Youth conference.
Milt could keep his posts a lot shorter by just saying “It’s OK when Labour or Green do it”.
When do we hear (OR NOT) the name of the drunken young Labour party man who sexually assaulted other young men and women at a Labour “conference”.
I bet he gets away with it – guess why ? because of his close believed family connection within the top end of the Pardy…………………………