“It is not from the benevolence of the person that we expect them to work, but from their regard to their own self-interest. We address ourselves not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities, but of their advantages.”
Recently over at Kiwiblog there has been a superb series of articles by one of the regular commentators there, PaulL, which looks at the problems created for beneficiaries by government.
His analysis focuses on our combinations of tax rates and various types of benefits – also called transfer systems – and how this creates barriers in moving people from welfare to work. The key phrase is Effective Marginal Tax Rates.
Admittedly it’s a problem common across the Western world, perhaps the entire world. I agree with his first point:
I would argue that at the lower end incentives matter even more than the top end. For someone earning $180K per annum, working an extra hour isn’t a massive stretch. For someone not working at all, working that first hour is a massive change.
I’m not going to list all the details and the graphs of his posts but merely some of the key conclusions from each post, which are regrettably often the same:
Working 10 hours per week,[Sole parent, 2 kids, impact of working additional hours] their income after expenses is $918 per week. From there to 36 hours a week there’s no point in working those extra hours – the household income remains at basically $920-$930 per week… Nobody in their right mind would work 40 hours a week to get $170 more disposable income than they had when they weren’t working at all. That’s $4 of disposable income for each hour of work.
For this household 83% of the increase in the minimum wage actually flows to the government in taxes and clawbacks. This household is a perfect example of the type of household we’d typically talk about when increasing the minimum wage – a single wage earner with two dependents. And yet, that minimum wage increase costs business a lot of money, most of that money flows to government.
I’m increasingly of the opinion that leftists know this, and don’t care because their main cause in life now is not making the lives of the poor or the working class better, but to relentlessly increase the size of government.
EMTR Other Demographics: for people who are lowly paid and part time, there is relatively little incentive to increase hourly earnings – for every extra dollar per hour you earn the government claws back 70% or more. This may reduce the likelihood people would invest in training or moving into more responsible / onerous positions.
Backing off my cynicism above, I wonder if any of the Labour Party people, or any Left-Wingers, have ever done such a calculation when they bellow about how the minimum wage can help people, save people? For that matter, has anybody from National or ACT ever made these arguments when confronted with the emotional blackmail surrounding the minimum wage?
I’ve never heard such arguments from such people, but they are desperately needed, for as PaulL observes:
The productivity of a country as a whole is really just the sum of the productivity of the people in that country. If significant chunks of our population have no incentive to invest in improving their productivity, because it makes no difference to their income, does that impact our national productivity and wealth?
Our productivity has been dreadful for decades, as documented by Michael Riddell, and although our lousy investment in capital (a strange failure for a “capitalist” economy) is the primary problem, it is made worse by the stupid barriers identified in the KB posts against people who would like to better themselves.
Is there anything in any Party’s policies about changing this whole system to make it worth people’s while to work more hours? National? ACT? Because if there is I haven’t seen it.
Neither have I but then I don’t follow the policy detail of any party since they so often fail to bear any realtionship to what happens in government.
Looking over the Kiwiblog site (which is very much a National Party backing blog) for this entire topic of EMTR’s I don’t see any mention in the comments either, although I haven’t looked at all of them.
What I do see is a general consensus that this is a tough problem to solve and that WFF made it even tougher to do so. No thanks Clark-Labour and Key-National.
And don’t forget Wayne Mapp, who by his own admission, talked Key out of canning WFF.
There was a report the ministry completed that showed way better outcomes for families with employed parents. Of course that report has been buried by the left. Lindsay Mitchell would know the report.
I recall campaigning against all of this when I stood for Act. The left are well aware of the impact of the rules and they’re happy with it. Essentially they’re entrenching a voter base.
National not fixing it shows how weak they are and how little aspiration they have for individuals and NZ.
I guess this goes back to https://nominister.wordpress.com/2022/05/13/boy-o-boy-have-things-changed-or-what/
Here is a possible solution:
Bin the welfare state as it is presently.
For those taxpayers who seriously want to help the “deserving poor” / short term unemployed / disabled / chronic unwell / geriatric……….
Allow a 100 % tax refund for any direct donations to said peasants; only an invoice from the peasant required as evidence.
The rest of taxpayers feel better as they have less stolen off them by the govt to transfer to the peasants.
Use a similar system to fund schools, roads, police, the military, hospitals, judicial, parliament of fourteen competent bodgers, ………whatever.
Pay-as-you-use and the better reputation schools, toll roads, medics, cops & grunts get paid exactly what the market says they are worth.
The peasant who is polite, can show a good working attitude, even if the work is only able to be 14 hours per week as limited by health / age / lifestyle……..can get a face-to-face connection with a generous sponsor.
The peasant who is a social turn-off gets exactly what they deserve.
Welfare workers either become real workers or transfer to Inland revenue and learn how to audit a real life setup.
Set the base tax rate at 20% for all declared income, cut all other taxes and levys (fuel, smokes, alcohol, GST, deaths, gifts, land development ……….) and after five years of painful confusion, reset the base tax rate to cover the international debt payments and a skeleton funding for hospitals, schools, NZDF.
Walnutter for primo-bodger-in-parliament.
What say you all ?
Cheers, W
Heh. Much as I appreciate the sentiment and the ideas this sort of “pure” approach will likely never cut it as an argument vs. the Tearful Faces of the Poor put forward by “compassionate” angry (“passionate”) Lefties 24/7 via the likes of OneNews, Newshub, RNZ, the Horrid and Stuffed.
I’m looking forward to PaulL’s future postings on this subject where he will write about various proposals for changing this – although I noted that he has said, along with some people who have dived deeply into all this – that there are no clean, easy fixes, merely tradeoffs.
Having said that, when a Public system starts failing as badly as our Healthcare and Education ones have it makes it a hell of a lot easier to transform the system. Same with Social Welfare perhaps. As Lenin said, The worse, the better, although as a natural conservative I don’t trust revolutions, not even when I support their goals, as with Rogernomics.
But we may get Rogernomics-type event if all this does not start improving.