No Minister

One reason why trust in the Covid “scam” has gone

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Something for The Veteran to watch – it’s only 7 minutes long, and is but a snippet of the misinformation/disinformation that was given to us by governments during the “scam”.

Key quote on reinfections following the *cough cough* vaccine, “I think it was hope that the vaccine would work in that way”.

Hope. Not science. Hope:

Jordan asked Birx if the government was lying or guessing when it told the public that people who received the vaccination couldn’t get COVID. Birx responded that she did not know. However, she continued, “All I know is there was evidence from the global pandemic that natural reinfection was occurring. Since the vaccine was based on natural immunity, you cannot make the conclusion that the vaccine will do better than natural infection. Although it can often do slightly better.”

Why didn’t she speak up about this while still in office? Public health “experts” like Dr. Anthony Fauci actively tried to convince Americans that natural immunity was inferior to the jabs.

So, why was Dr. Birx vaccinated and masked? She continued: “Because I knew potentially vaccine immunity would wane like natural immunity waned. There was evidence that every four months, reinfection was occurring in South Africa.” That seems like it should have been part of informed consent before Americans decided to take an experimental vaccine or give it to their children. Four months of coverage seems like a risk-benefit ratio Americans should have been able to calculate for themselves.

Here’s a 2 minute clip of the same.

Written by Nick K

June 28, 2022 at 10:54 pm

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  1. “Since the vaccine was based on natural immunity, you cannot make the conclusion that the vaccine will do better than natural infection. Although it can often do slightly better.”

    “often do slightly better”

    Bullshit, especially with the new MRNA vaccines.

    We have adopted vaccines because they confer immunity at a far lower risk than natural immunity.

    When we look back this Covid vaccine debacle is going to set back the roll out of safe and effective vaccines for early childhood diseases at least twenty years.

    alloytoo

    June 29, 2022 at 7:17 am

    • “When we look back this Covid vaccine debacle is going to set back the roll out of safe and effective vaccines for early childhood diseases at least twenty years”

      This whole vaccine thing has been a disaster and yes it’s made some people vaccine shy. I know several people in the older age group who are reluctant to get the flu shot. That’s unfortunate because they are now at great risk of a flu that is way worse than covid.
      It’s frightening because no one knows the long term effect of the mRNA “vaccine”. It’s not good messing with peoples immune system while having no idea of any long term effect.

      And the evil people in government are still going after our children.

      Old Curmudgeon

      June 29, 2022 at 8:09 am

      • Oh, come on. Safe and effective we were told. We were also informed by a former cabinet minister that “all scientific evidence” showed the vaccine worked.

        Birx is a big fish. Her admissions here are like James Shaw admitting climate change doesn’t exist.

        Nick K

        June 29, 2022 at 8:27 am

  2. I shared this on Kiwiblog, thought I would share it here.

    Interesting interview.

    How the Elites Hurt the Poor with Terrible Ideas.

    Truth about luxury beliefs.

    Luxury beliefs are defined as

    “ideas and opinions that confer status on the rich at very little cost, while taking a toll on the lower class.”

    I would say that most every policy implemented by this government from rental standards to gun control, and most especially the “Covid Elimination” policy constituted Luxury ideas of the very worst kind intended to confer status on the PM.

    alloytoo

    June 29, 2022 at 8:57 am

    • Luxury beliefs…
      Yep. As you point out you could just aa well have put that in my post on all the Beverly Hill folk suddenly trying to get concealed cary gun licences

      My industry is filled with progressives who have the luxury of being idealists and espousing philosophies they they thought would never come back and bite them,” said the entertainment writer, who is in her early 60s. “There’s a shift now that it’s become so much more dangerous.”

      Tom Hunter

      June 29, 2022 at 9:23 am

  3. OC and alloytoo: examples of the widespread quasi-religious faith in vaccines, thanks to successful brainwashing – “It hurts but it’s for your own good.” The organized criminal enterprise known as the pharmaceutical industry thanks you for your services as useful idiots.

    Harry

    June 29, 2022 at 11:17 am

    • Harry you’ve either lost your glasses or been drinking. If you could read I’ve been anti the Covid vax from the beginning.
      Get a clue man. Idiot

      Old Curmudgeon

      June 29, 2022 at 11:55 am

      • You were promoting the useless flu vaccine – did you forget what you posted?

        Harry

        June 29, 2022 at 6:54 pm

    • Generally speaking vaccines offer relatively low risk immunity to some rather nasty diseases and we have considerable data to back that up.

      I would not consider the Covid jab a vaccine in the traditional sense, nor would I consider it safe or effective.

      My original evaluation seemed to point in the direction of it being a sensible choice for me personally. I have re-evaluated my position and will not join the booster go around, especially since the vaccine failed dismally to prevent infection and I now have a measure of natural immunity.

      alloytoo

      June 29, 2022 at 5:08 pm

      • I’ve concluded the same alloytoo. I fore went the flu injection this year but I don’t consider that vaccine too dangerous as it’s been tried and tested over a long period. The covid vaccine is another proposition again, untested and not a lot known about the long term effects.
        As for being accused of “promoting the useless flu vaccine” I think not. The people I was talking about are perfectly capable of making their own decisions. I do worry about them though as they mostly are very old and some infirm.
        Harry is an absolutist obviously and that makes him as bad as those pushing the covid vaccine. Everyone should be able to make their own decisions and not be criticized for it.

        Old Curmudgeon

        June 29, 2022 at 10:34 pm

      • @Old Curmudgeon said “Everyone should be able to make their own decisions and not be criticized for it.”

        And sadly we also get to regret our decisions.

        I perhaps should have persuaded my eldest to forgo the jab as his age group were a very low risk of severe disease. (That’s ignoring the safety issues that have a arisen).

        I am very glad that I ignored government propaganda regarding the pediatric version in favour of my own research, with regards the youngster.

        I may be barking up the wrong tree but I do get the impression that the distribution of pediatric version was a contractual obligation imposed by Pfizer.

        alloytoo

        June 30, 2022 at 9:08 am

      • I made the decision that there was no way my youngest 11yo was ever going to get the covid jab. He got covid and had an elevated temperature and headache for a day and a half. A big nothing burger.
        So happy I didn’t risk his life or injury for an experimental and untested vaccine.
        I look back in horror that the fool Seymour was advocating jabbing kids before it was approved for use with kids.

        Old Curmudgeon

        June 30, 2022 at 10:22 am

  4. Nothing I say here is going to shift people from their beliefs (honestly held or otherwise) but at the risk of being accused thread-jacking I guess it follows that anti-vaxers (my body, my choice) are faced with a certain dilemma if they happen to be anti-abortion advocates as well … retires to the dugout waiting for the counter bombardment from whoever.

    The Veteran

    June 29, 2022 at 4:19 pm

    • I’m not entirely sure why an anti-vaxxer can’t legitimately be pro life. However I can see the hypocrisy in pro abortionists being pro vaccine mandate.

      adolffinkensen

      June 29, 2022 at 4:46 pm

    • “My body, my choice”, was a co-opting of existing language, that sought to break through entrenched thinking around bodily integrity that some people might understand. Maybe it worked, maybe it didn’t – don’t know.

      Anyway, I am pro-life, anti-mandate. There is no dilemma, as the framing of the argument is not really correct. It just served as an analogy; and as with many analogies, can be broken very easily.

      To summarise: there is no choice where there is coercion. Abortion takes a life of a human being, so not really “my body”. Every person ought to be able to choose what medical procedures they undergo for their own body – especially if there is risk (and more risks are being acknowledged as time goes on). With regards to the body of a child, no matter the age, the choice ought be limited to not be able to take their life.

      Lucia Maria

      June 29, 2022 at 7:02 pm

    • @ The Vet

      Pfft…

      The anti-abortion have lost the arguments over the years for a number of reasons, but one of them was certainly that the “My Body, My Choice” philosophical argument was pretty solid.

      But as is always the case, when the same people who had won that argument and established that rule, decided that it was an obstacle to the need for vaccine mandates, all of sudden it was ditched.

      But this is so typical of National Righties like you Vet; instead of framing it as being a dilemma for the “anti-vax” crowd, why are you incapable of framing it as a problematic double standard for the pro-abortion crowd who happily dumped it in order to argue for a pro-vaccine mandate?

      This is why the centre-right loses and loses and loses on real issues that become permanently embedded. You lose an argument in which a standard is supposedly established by your victorious Lefty opponents – and then when they gleefully dump their own standard to win the next argument, you just go along with them.

      Tom Hunter

      June 29, 2022 at 9:16 pm

  5. I appreciate your dilemma

    The Veteran

    June 29, 2022 at 8:22 pm

  6. Yeh, whatever Tom .. in a perverse way you’ve got it … double standard indeed. For me, pro vax and pro abortion (with limitations) and I can sleep straight in bed.

    The Veteran

    June 29, 2022 at 9:36 pm

    • Vet there is a difference between pro-vax and pro-mandate.

      Paranormal

      June 29, 2022 at 9:53 pm

      • I don’t really care what any ones position on the covid vaccine. I have my own thoughts on the matter.
        My beef is the forcing people against their will to submit. And please don’t say people weren’t forced because they were.
        Remember “no vax no job” which still shamefully applies to some industries, and your party went right along with it.

        Old Curmudgeon

        June 29, 2022 at 10:45 pm

    • From the beginning of this debacle there has been an attempt (ironically) to present vaccines as a binary argument.

      Pro or Anti.

      We’ve never really treated medicine like this before.

      I am pro-Medicine & pro-vaccines as they are broadly speaking social goods.

      That in no way means that every medicine is good for everyone, likewise not every vaccine is appropriate for everyone.

      Mandates make the assumption that the Covid Vaccine is good for everyone (irrespective of risk profile) and that’s before you consider the expedited approval process.

      alloytoo

      June 30, 2022 at 9:27 am

      • “Mandates make the assumption that the Covid Vaccine is good for everyone (irrespective of risk profile) and that’s before you consider the expedited approval process”

        Exactly alloytoo.
        All my kids and I have had all the traditional vaccines because it was sensible to do it and they have been tested over time.
        The covid vaccine is different and not had the testing required. It made no sense to me to vaccinate with an experimental vaccine when the risk of dying from covid was so tiny.

        Old Curmudgeon

        June 30, 2022 at 10:30 am

  7. pro vax?
    Cheap shot. The argument is not about pro or anti but about vaccine mandates, as you well know.

    Re abortion, what limitations? It’s one of the most liberal abortion regimes in the world, far more so than many Social Democracies of Western Europe. In fact when the law was changed I’m sure you said here on KB that you’d been ok with the previous rules which were more restrictive.

    I can sleep straight in bed.

    Yes, like your beloved National Party you sleep. You’ll awaken after the 2023 election to your mates being in government, which is the only point of National’s existence. Hopefully their dreams will have produced something to turn this nation around, but what I’ve seen in the last 18 months I doubt it. When it comes to “putting such things behind us”, as Mr Mapp so often puts it, I don’t think that should ever including forgetting poor judgment.

    Tom Hunter

    June 29, 2022 at 9:52 pm

  8. Dear Nick

    Hello from the UK. many thanks for your post. Here’s the thing. Some are born Birx, some achieve Birx (ness) and some have Birx (ness) thrust upon them. Let him who has ears to hear let him hear.

    Kind regards

    Baldmichael

    P.S. Deborah Birx, dr, is a Birx (sic). Anagrams of her name include ‘Dr hoaxer bib’. This explains a lot.

    alphaandomega21

    July 4, 2022 at 3:27 am


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